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CIM
01-05-2012, 17:26
What could the Government or Tourist board to for Tenerife to ensure its future prosperity?

A recent thread compared it with Dubai and pointed out how different it was. So what steps could be taken to make Tenerife a better place to live/work, create more jobs, more prosperity?

These can be short term changes (take more steps to eliminate black economies here for example) or longer term projects (the railway project, Granadilla port for example.)

I would like to see an offshore financial services zone similar to Gibraltar / Channel Islands etc. It brings good jobs, improves the balance sheet of the island and puts the place on the map for something other than tourism and bananas.

Another big project could be a large casino resort (a real casino... not the one in LA...) Again - loads of jobs and it could bring a lot more short term visitors - 3 and 4 days in a nice hotel with money to blow... Would fit nicely into those empty plots just above Los Cristianos.

What are your thoughts/ideas?

tonypub
01-05-2012, 17:29
a theme park,like alton towers

Ed3229
01-05-2012, 17:33
a theme park,like alton towers

Your right Tony just like http://www.portaventura.co.uk/

tonypub
01-05-2012, 17:50
an ice skating arena that does a show+meal at night,public skating through the day

Peterrayner
01-05-2012, 19:57
A dog track

warbey
01-05-2012, 20:20
I think, as a Place, Tenerife is pretty good already
The shoreline between Kris and Torviscas is delightful
Why dont TITSA go along the Shoreline between the Gran Tinerfe and Veronica, if not through to the Safari Centre.?
Who ever altered this did no favours to anyone.

Law and order needs improving. I reckon a few Brits in Office would work wonders.

In La La Land, striking an Oilfield would work wonders. too


I have often wondered if a decent sized Theatre would be sustainable..

Harmonicaman
01-05-2012, 20:22
Has the Taoro casino in Puerto de la Cruz closed then?

junglejim
01-05-2012, 20:23
Bar staff that serve customers instead of texting on their `phones and standing talking to each other - OH and wipe the bar surface now and again!
Bringing tourist ships down to Los Cristianos would be a big boost also !

LeFrunk
01-05-2012, 20:28
Im with you on the Casino CIM , maybe not as grand as Vegas but very much in the style of one of the casinos there , a proper one that is . No long haul flight to USA , just a couple hours to Tenerife , nice hotel a spot of gambling and good weather , sure what more could the average man want . Just my opinion .

Harmonicaman
01-05-2012, 20:37
What could the Government or Tourist board to for Tenerife to ensure its future prosperity?

A recent thread compared it with Dubai and pointed out how different it was. So what steps could be taken to make Tenerife a better place to live/work, create more jobs, more prosperity?

These can be short term changes (take more steps to eliminate black economies here for example) or longer term projects (the railway project, Granadilla port for example.)

I would like to see an offshore financial services zone similar to Gibraltar / Channel Islands etc. It brings good jobs, improves the balance sheet of the island and puts the place on the map for something other than tourism and bananas.

Another big project could be a large casino resort (a real casino... not the one in LA...) Again - loads of jobs and it could bring a lot more short term visitors - 3 and 4 days in a nice hotel with money to blow... Would fit nicely into those empty plots just above Los Cristianos.

What are your thoughts/ideas?


Im with you on the Casino CIM , maybe not as grand as Vegas but very much in the style of one of the casinos there , a proper one that is . No long haul flight to USA , just a couple hours to Tenerife , nice hotel a spot of gambling and good weather , sure what more could the average man want . Just my opinion .


Has the Taoro casino in Puerto de la Cruz closed then?

Wasn't that a big "Vegas style" casino at Taoro in PdlC? Has it shut?

Ali.xx
01-05-2012, 20:51
I think there is some really good ideas there. I esp like the casino and offshore ones. They would go hand in hand! I guess somewhere like tenerife has always been seen as a sun and booze holiday for some brits. It may attract a more refined holiday maker if other activities were available.

captain beefheart
01-05-2012, 21:06
tax haven would do for me, like isle of man but without the rain.

delderek
01-05-2012, 21:33
In my opinion, nothing to drastic has to be done, it just needs tidying up. Take the El Mirador strip, nice new clean locales a few years ago, within a couple of years it began to look like a downmarket 70s English seaside resort. Toldo's in the same colour fine, but then look how they are fitted, a motley variety of roughly welded ugly frames (which get rust marks within a few months) of all shapes and sizes, sandwich boards and blackboards, dayglow posters scrawled with felt tip pen. Huge structures to hold menu boards etc. Open ashtrays to let the wind blow the ash about. Answer: Nice s/s frames, remove the clutter, and generally make things look nicer. Oh and possibly get rid of the outside TV screens blasting out different football matches within a few feet of each other. El Mirador is not the worst, just an example. The restaurants/bars along the Los Cris walkway now look ten times better than they did a few years ago, as they were made to conform to certain criteria.

kathml
01-05-2012, 21:56
In my opinion most of the ideas put forward while good in theory in practise are not practical

Large casino too small a visitor base the same for an Alton towers type park off shore finance would mean laws regarding taxation etc changing

I think Dereks idea of a clean up would be a good start and then persuading an upmarket airline to start up

I'm sorry if I'm going to a 5star resort/hotel I don't really want to fly Easyjet Oh and also get 5 star hotels to become truly 5 star if you don't believe me read many of the reports on Tripadvisor

then get some 5 star selfcatering aprts Jucuzzis hottubs furnishings etc this is what a lot of people want

That would be a start

Simon-M
01-05-2012, 22:43
Cruise ships are coming to Los Cris this year. It was in the paper.

marbro8
01-05-2012, 22:51
well the place brings us back twice a year so it aint doing that much wrong:c2:

Added after 3 minutes:

maybe people would say get rid of the looky looky men the time share touts and the pr's??

slodgedad
01-05-2012, 23:53
In my opinion, nothing to drastic has to be done, it just needs tidying up. Take the El Mirador strip, nice new clean locales a few years ago, within a couple of years it began to look like a downmarket 70s English seaside resort. Toldo's in the same colour fine, but then look how they are fitted, a motley variety of roughly welded ugly frames (which get rust marks within a few months) of all shapes and sizes, sandwich boards and blackboards, dayglow posters scrawled with felt tip pen. Huge structures to hold menu boards etc. Open ashtrays to let the wind blow the ash about. Answer: Nice s/s frames, remove the clutter, and generally make things look nicer. Oh and possibly get rid of the outside TV screens blasting out different football matches within a few feet of each other. El Mirador is not the worst, just an example. The restaurants/bars along the Los Cris walkway now look ten times better than they did a few years ago, as they were made to conform to certain criteria.

My sentiments exactly...

Nothing puts me off more than scribbled or badly spelled boards..

cheery
02-05-2012, 08:32
As well as the smartening up as mentioned about signage, getting rid of touts etc. why not adopt the policy they have in the South of France. Suitable dress when away from the beach. Who wants to go into Mercadona with some herbert not wearing a shirt looking at bread and milk (if they can find it) or sit in a bar with the same people in their Argos jewellery, Maori tattoos and again shirtless. Fining people €50 on the spot for non compliance would soon sort them out.

A little change makes a big difference.

Balcony
02-05-2012, 09:18
I join the suggestion to get the place cleaned up.

Widen the beach walks, or else rid them of bicycles and those stand up things. Restrict, strictly the speed of wheelchairs.

Get rid of PRs. They are as bad as timeshare touts.

Encourage more 'regular' shops and discourage the shops that sell the tat along the beach walks.

s1monsg
02-05-2012, 10:26
A great thread and somehitng I have often pondered about myself. I think that one of the things that is holding the island back is the fact that it has always done OK in the "good old days" 70's, 80's and 90's, but now as prices to places such as Dubai are much cheaper and people have either been to see it for themselves or know someone who has, there is a much higher expectation of holiday resorts in general.

I've never been to Dubai, but apart from sun and sand, I imagine that is where the similarities stop. Having seen pictures of the place and knowing someone who goes on holiday there regularly, the place is a dream. The downside that Tenerife has, is that it is an old island, whereas Dubai has been, as far as I know anyway, developed into a 5+ star holiday resort and here they have developed what they initially had i.e. old fishing villages etc...but, to me, that is the true beauty of Tenerife. OK, have the 5 star hotels here, but as someone mentioned...make them 5 star quality for service as well, but I imagine if the basics were taken care of such as has already been mentioned, looky looky men, PR's are really unnecessary - if it's a good restaurant, people will go in, get rid of the cheap electrical stores...they're not cheap, Veronicas is something that people want and come here for, so keep it but tidy it up and make it a bit safer, the cruise liners are coming to Los Cristianos (http://tenerifepropertygroup.com/blog/cruise-ships-los-cristianos/) as I wrote in my blog recently...assuming the money doesn't get withdrawn, clear up the streets of dog poo, this is a massive problem for tourists...who wants to come on holiday and stand in poo?, clamp down on the culprits...but above all, if the government or Cabildo were to make a bigger thing of the traditions of Tenerife, the Carnival, the natural beauty of the island, the sports that can be done any day and at any time because the weather will probably be good for it, I also think that they should have done something to attract people to the Isle of Fernandos...they could have done a great advertising run on that in the UK...I'm not so sure it is still in Tenerife now, so it may be too late, what about the fact that Nelson lost his arm in Santa Cruz?...do they promote that?...I watched the TV a couple of years ago and when they were widening the road on Avenida Maritima, they found the remains of a castle, and a historian was trying to get the government to do something about it...I didn't hear the end result...but I can guess.

Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now...it is something I feel a great deal of passion for, it would be great to raise the number of tourists, the sun and sea will always be here, but new ideas need to be put forward and developed.

TOTO 99
02-05-2012, 10:57
I'm afraid it's horses for courses.
If you wish to attract upmarket people then you would lose the not so upmarket clients (like me..lol).
I have no interest in the bling of Dubai but I can see why people like it. There are some nice hotels in Tenerife that are what I would consider to be upmarket. They seem to do well so there is definitely a need for them. I don't think that you could cover the whole of the south with them though.
I agree that most of the areas need a good clean up and I could live without the pr's etc. We've seen threads on here though where some people have no problem with them. We're all different.
Above all, it's a holiday island. People need to be able to relax in a clean and safe environment. And by people I mean ordinary people. :)

CIM
02-05-2012, 11:14
A large shopping centre in the South of Tenerife (Gran Sur is woefully inadequate.)
So many places I have been to have large covered shopping centres with lots of bars, restaurants, courtyards, water features, hundred of shops etc and they can become an attraction of their own. This really seems to be lacking in Tenerife South. Surely there is a market for it here? With all the local residents, the tourists etc.

delderek
02-05-2012, 11:36
A large shopping centre in the South of Tenerife (Gran Sur is woefully inadequate.)
So many places I have been to have large covered shopping centres with lots of bars, restaurants, courtyards, water features, hundred of shops etc and they can become an attraction of their own. This really seems to be lacking in Tenerife South. Surely there is a market for it here? With all the local residents, the tourists etc.

I agree this is now the trend but unfortunately these sort of developments can rip the heart out of existing towns. Just imagine Los Cris without any "real" shops

YOUNG GOLFER
02-05-2012, 11:46
Was talking to someone last night who talked about the plans to have two big shopping centers one is to be the biggest in Spain..... now that would help get some people back to work...one to be in Adeje the other near Siam Park so will have to wait and see on that front.

But Tenerife has a lot to offer but i think it still needs something BIG people have mention a theme park not a bad idea but it has to be something that will push people towards wanting to go to Tenerife.

As for timeshare touts i would say they are no way near as bad as before and Prs well was there not a law passed about Prs in Arona at least.... who will get fined if caught.....lookie lookie men have been here for years and this might always be the case (a part of Tenerife).

In the 25yrs i have been here the place is a lot better most of the south along the coast is one way now which gives holiday makers plenty of room to walk lot's of trees flowers ect roundabouts look great bus stops look trendy on the way up the North.

I talk to many people here and today a couple who have been coming here for years have decided they want to live here they said they feel safe here it's cheaper to live here the quality of life is better now this is a couple who have been coming here for a very long time.

There is a walkway near my office which has just been finished total amount 495,000€ a great improvement which will help people save time walking to the beach.

I do get to go out and about a bit and see some complexes are looking run down but it won't help if owners are not paying their community fees a big problem on some complexes which is a shame.

At the moment we are in a recession but i still see some changes being made which can only be positive for the Island of Tenerife.

Let's not forget their are more people from other countries now coming to Tenerife and their numbers seem to be going up.

But back to CIM's question another big attraction ¡s needed for Tenerife or some major sporting events would be a good idea just something really to put this great Island of Tenerife on the map.:)

symonsj
02-05-2012, 11:48
In my opinion, Tenerife is a nice place already. Maybe it could be improved by offering better quality and with that, I don't mean more luxuary expensive hotels/rooms but people being friendly and delivering what is promised. The 5* idea should be in peoples attitude, not in building more expensive hotels.

If a place is authentic, clean, well managed and the service is good, I will understand that it costs money to keep up that standard.
If it looks sloppy, dirty and the people ignore me rather than giving their best service, I feel offended even if it is cheap.

The strong points of Tenerife are
1) 365 days good climate
2) fascinating nature within reach
3) authentic small villages

The weak points for me are
1) safety seems to go down
2) lots of dirty places
3) unfriendly, it's not your business mentality

From all my holidays, I felt most welcome on the Greec islands. It really felt as if the locals were happy that they could share the beauty of there island. My worst experiences have been in countries like Egypt where I felt as welcome as a walking bag of money.

CIM
02-05-2012, 11:50
I agree this is now the trend but unfortunately these sort of developments can rip the heart out of existing towns. Just imagine Los Cris without any "real" shops

The shops in Los Cristianos dont attract visitors though - Tenerife needs more things that will. You might get more from the North if their was a grand shopping mall/centre here. And tourists may also appreciate the South more if there were more "real" shops - real brand names etc because as it stands it is abysmal for shopping down here in the South. Everyone goes to the North.

seanocelt
02-05-2012, 12:33
I like the island , i really do. I was away 12 years and came back to a much improved place. What i learned in my absence was;

theme parks (Florida) attract large family groups, and various nationalities, BUT, the infrastructure must be right. (access, villa type accomodation as well as apartments and hotels.) Tenerife seems to be going down another route.

The winter golf market is an open goal if fees can be lowered, Algarve is expensive, we have a better climate, needs investment.

Idyllic Island holidays. The Hawai/Bali type dreamscapes. It could be achieved in unspoiled areas and if marketed correctly could work, with job spin offs. Again 5 star standard "resort" hotels would be needed.

An artificial ski slope near Teide! That would diversify the client base, "ski then sunbathe".

Much as i dont mind them myself, there a just too many lookie-lookies, according to punters i talk to. And some complain of PR's. The biggest complaint i get is "Brit expats with high and mighty attitudes to tourists"!!

Like i said i was away 12 years and saw a hugely improved place on my return, so in 10 more years, who really knows?(on here anyway). We will be the last to know!!

delderek
02-05-2012, 12:51
I like the island , i really do. I was away 12 years and came back to a much improved place. What i learned in my absence was;

theme parks (Florida) attract large family groups, and various nationalities, BUT, the infrastructure must be right. (access, villa type accomodation as well as apartments and hotels.) Tenerife seems to be going down another route.

The winter golf market is an open goal if fees can be lowered, Algarve is expensive, we have a better climate, needs investment.

Idyllic Island holidays. The Hawai/Bali type dreamscapes. It could be achieved in unspoiled areas and if marketed correctly could work, with job spin offs. Again 5 star standard "resort" hotels would be needed.

An artificial ski slope near Teide! That would diversify the client base, "ski then sunbathe".

Much as i dont mind them myself, there a just too many lookie-lookies, according to punters i talk to. And some complain of PR's. The biggest complaint i get is "Brit expats with high and mighty attitudes to tourists"!!

Like i said i was away 12 years and saw a hugely improved place on my return, so in 10 more years, who really knows?(on here anyway). We will be the last to know!!

Just for the record Waikiki beach (Hawai) is not that good, a bit dirty and a tatty beachfront, nowhere near as nice as Las Vistas.

TOTO 99
02-05-2012, 12:57
I spotted this place on J anet Voldermort's site yesterday. Some are definitely making an effort..

http://www.gran-melia-palacio-de-isora.com/en/index.html