The 'Football Club formerly known as Rangers' thread

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Please refer to below thread for previous history:-
Tenerife Forum Rangers Football Club Discussion Forum
23/04/12 10:55 to 15/06/12 14:01 (RIP)

[junglejim]

Aw Jeese! i wanted to start it and call it Trigger's Broom FC the Club Formerly Known as RFC(NIL)! :jumping::cheeky::wave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbha4XclSMU

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[I_N_Cognito]

It’s all a question of sport...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18460190

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It’s all a question of sport...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18460190

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More confusion...

[Harmonicaman]

It’s all a question of sport...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18460190

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It’s all a question of sport...
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More confusion...

...that's 'cos it's called an "ampersand"...(this thing &). Don't know why it comes up though.

[I_N_Cognito]

I knew that.
:whistle:

[slodgedad]

What would you like it editing to?

At the moment it seems like an argument in the making.

[I_N_Cognito]

The Continuing Demise (Farce) At Rangers FC (No More) & The Future (From Here To ???)

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An argument in the making, never...
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[slodgedad]

The Continuing Demise (Farce) At Rangers FC (No More) & The Future (From Here To ???)

Above was original name given to thread, got it to show ok after a couple of edits on original post.

An argument in the making, never...
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Three question marks are now coming up as a smiley.

Probably because the Forum automatically puts the ?? smiley in when 3 ?s are posted. I'll remove one of them.

[timmylish]

What would you like it editing to?

At the moment it seems like an argument in the making.

Good. Yet another argument about that mob (past tense in view of their demise). Now please keep me posted when the argument really starts. You all know fine that I never, ever start arguments???

[seanocelt]

Naw . Whits there to argue aboot anyway? (missing you already, mwaa ). Im hauf serious here .

[timmylish]

And I,ll be the other "hauf".

[junglejim]

[QUOTE=seanocelt;188339]Naw . Whits there to argue aboot anyway? (missing you already, mwaa ). Im hauf serious here .[/QUOTE
I´m not missing THE - looking forward to going home tomorrow to a hun-free Scotland for the first time in my life !
Trigger´s Broom FC are having a rather difficult breach birth - I suspect Green has kept the afterbirth and flung away the baby !
Next couple of weeks will be fun- I see the MSM have went into overdrive now -The Cardigan vs The Yorkshire Ripper (Also coming Daily Ranger vs The Sun !)
In terms of the Players it´s a Shakespearean Tragedy .. "Tupe or Not Tupe " or since it´s June- "A Midsummer (K)night´s Dream " ( or (K)nightmare from Macbeth)!

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The Requiem Song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IMyh1cGUUBs

[I_N_Cognito]

So who will be the "Glorious 12th"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18476930
:crylaughing:

[timmylish]

Remember when we told of the demise of Scottish Football completely, in part due to the withdrawal of Sky TV well, ups yees. One and all! Yet another brick out of the "listed building down Ibrokes way!" Zombies, start walking NOW;-

EXCLUSIVE: Sky won't fall: TV giants insist SPL deal is on - even without Rangers
By JOHN MCGARRY
PUBLISHED: 23:09, 17 June 2012 | UPDATED: 23:09, 17 June 2012
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Sky has rubbished claims it is set to pull the plug on Scottish football if Rangers are not playing in the top flight next season.
The satellite broadcaster which, together with ESPN, is three years into a £65million five-year deal, has so far kept its own counsel on the crisis that has engulfed Scottish football since the Ibrox club lurched into administration, before being liquidated last week.
With Charles Green’s Sevco consortium attempting to smooth a passage back into the top flight for the newco Rangers, there is no guarantee the four Old Firm games that are central to the existing deal will take place next season.

An improved £80m five-year deal, to supercede the existing agreement, remains unsigned and, barring a remarkable turn of events, looks likely to remain so.
The prospect of the existing agreement being shredded as a result of the ongoing saga looks nil, however. Reports last week claimed Sky were ready to rip up the existing deal if its terms were breached. But a senior London source told Sportsmail that, although a degree of renegotiation might be required in that eventuality, there is no question of the broadcaster walking away.
Sky has never, ever discussed pulling out of covering Scottish football,’ he said.
'We have not discussed that possibility, either with the SPL or any other footballing authority. Nor has that been on the agenda for consideration within Sky, despite all the problems and difficulties being faced by Scottish football at present.
'If Rangers are not in the SPL, that would change things for us, naturally. It would leave a quality hole in Scotland’s top division. Competition would deteriorate and, in that event, we would have to renegotiate.
‘But let us be very clear — we have always tried to be supportive of Scottish football and have never made any negative noises or sent any negative messages.
‘Scottish football is still very much in our plans for the future. Walking away has never been on our agenda.’

Sportsmail’s source also stressed that Sky would not try to influence the outcome of the current crisis.
‘We have, in the past, been asked for our opinions, but we believe that football should be run by the football authorities. We are a TV company,’ he said.
The ongoing crisis in the Scottish game will be illustrated on Monday when the SPL releases its fixtures for season 2012-13 with ‘Club 12’ taking the place of Rangers. The club representatives attending the SPL’s monthly meeting will also be given an update on the investigation into alleged double contracts, following Sportsmail’s revelations that off-shore payments were excluded from players’ contracts over a decade.
However, the new incarnation of the Ibrox club could yet be playing in the top flight, if Green gets the seven additional votes he requires from the SPL in two weeks’ time.
Such a scenario is being bluntly opposed by the majority of fans throughout Scotland, who believe sporting integrity should override any commercial interests.
Weekend reports suggested a compromise might come in the shape of a radical revamp of the Scottish game, which would see the SPL and SFL merge into one body in time for the new season.
It has been suggested the newco Rangers would begin life in the second tier — SPL2 — with Dundee promoted to the top division.

The fudge would be designed to punish the new Rangers by ensuring they do not re-enter at the highest level — while keeping sponsors and TV companies onside through the expansion of the SPL to two divisions.
Promotion and relegation play-offs for all divisions, a pyramid system for league entry and a rethink on TV revenue distribution would be the other facets of the plan being hatched within the SFA.
However, David Longmuir, chief executive of the Scottish Football League, said he was against any such plan.
‘It would be a newco scenario and the only way we could accommodate any new application would be to create a gap in the Third Division through the play-offs with teams shuffling up,’ he said. ‘We would then judge every case on its own merits.
‘There would be no provision for any newco Rangers to go into the First Division rather than the Third.
‘The decisions that have to be made by the SPL and SFA in the coming weeks are far more crucial than the knock-on effects that come to the SFL.
‘There are no winners in this situation. The good of the game is balancing sporting integrity with the finances available and to be realistic about the future.’

[junglejim]

Looks like Trigger's Broom might be getting its head chopped off before it sweeps all before it !
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/106736-spl-will-charge-newco-rangers-on-non-contractual-payments/
SPL will hold them to account on 4th July for Prima Facie case - Oh Dear! 54 and shrinking?

[I_N_Cognito]

Who’s writing the script here, Laurel and Hardy?
:duh:

[junglejim]

Newsflash !! Walter EBT walks away - the scrag end consortium has pulled out ! Will Sally be next to walk ?

[timmylish]

JJ. I thought that I had read last week that Sally had joined his auld gaffer so surely if HE walks away Sally must FF!

[junglejim]

No No Timmy - Sally stayed with the Green (S)Mile - let's see if he lasts the distance !
Something now starting to stink badly in the background with Green - this is going to run longer than the "Mousertrap"!
Every day's a schoolday with Trigger's Broom !

[seanocelt]

King's comment of the club being only of value to asset strippers sounds ominous and with expulsion being mooted this really is getting dangerously close to THE END. No fixtures = no tickets sold until into end July = cash flow disaster. Liquidation 2 ?

[junglejim]

Who are Club 12 ?

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Will they have to use Trigger's Broom name now ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-premier

Or perhaps worse # a prison team ? Latest rumour!!
alex thomson ‏@alextomo
Lawyer connected to fmr Rangers manager tells #c4news "there's a massive fraud in Rangers waiting to come out"

[seanocelt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619

More news by the hour, and all incredible. As JJ once "the gift that keeps on giving";

So, Rangers, not yet liquidated, as we all knew, canae be called "the Rangers FC" on liquidation as its too similar, and the liquidation process could take yonks anyway; so would they play for a year as Rangers (IA)? Doubt it, Whyte still owns them. Or another name thats not "too like Rangers" under Green? Glasgow's Green sounds nowt like Rangers, canae see it but. Green's Blues? (aye he will be singing the blues alright). Govan Ghosts? Club Orange 12 as JJ illustrated, takes the biscuit, pun intended. I really canae stop laughing at this total farce, and there's mair to come?

[timmylish]

Guys. As the old saying goes about touching the tip of an iceberg. We aint seen nothin' yet. Lots and lots of police (Metropolitan I,m told) are under instruction to bring charges asap and certainly whilst its in the public eye!
I get the impression that since all the big guns firing here are in England as opposed to Scotland we are in for fun and games for years to come. After all it don,t seem like nearly 5 months since things started rolling.

[junglejim]

Ibrokes to rename one of their stands to respect one of their longest serving employees it is to be called
"THE JIMMY BELL-END"

[timmylish]

I was on one of the Celtic Forum,s last night and a guy on there told him that a work colleague has actually paid for his season ticket at Ibrokes just yesterday morning, 'cause of the positive vibes of FF! Can ye actually believe that? 500/600 pounds stg. down the toilet!

[junglejim]

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Chris McLaughlin þ@BBCchrismclaug

Allan Stewart and Stephen McKenna are the Glasgow businessmen behind a fresh bid for #Rangers. They hope to buy club and hand back to fans.

http://gamesmonitor2014.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/dodgy-land-deals-in-dalmarnock/
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/08/01/tycoon-firm-goes-under-owing-78k-as-millionaire-s-fail-to-pay-tax-bill-86908-22456262/
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/05/23/customs-probe-millionaire-property-developers-company-86908-22279245/

That'll be the same Steven McKenna (A Timmy) who paid £15,000 to play in Phil O'Donnel memorial game!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/celtic/2008/05/26/phil-o-donnell-tribute-celtic-5-1-motherwell-86908-20430070/

Oh and a list of the CVA votes
http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles/37/b5/0,,5~177463,00.pdf

[timmylish]

Now THEY will be forming a STRIP CLUB.

[Davie Thistle]

It is becoming more apparent as days go by that the club previously knowing as Rangers and their sympathizers and apologists are in complete disarray.

The Scottish footballing authorities are in a state of near blind panic at the evidence so far made public of wrongdoing by the team from Govan on an almost industrial scale

What the vast majority of non-Rangers fans wish to see is quite simply the matter treated in a non-partisan way,
without fear or favour.

However, what we are treated to is an almost daily catalogue of obfuscation and disinformation of a Kafkaesque variety.
Well, I hope I'm speaking for many when I say that I'm sick to fed up with all the Hungeddon stories,
which imply the Earth will stop revolving if Rangers are treated in the manner their behavior deserves.
Added to my feeling of anger is the lack of acknowledgement of wrong doing or even hint of an apology or any act of contrition.
Indeed, we are basically told that its our fault for punishing the Ibrox club!

Well, a word or two in the shelllike of the powers that be in Scottish football and indeed the custodians of my own football club: Partick Thistle,
do they think we are mugs?

I know I have spent thirty odd years supporting a "wee" team that is highly unlikely ever to win the Champions League,
yet I trust that given the right luck and circumstances that my team will have at least a sporting chance in any competition it enters.

This is why so many non-Rangers fans are angry,
what we are being told is effectively that no matter what there is one team that will never be subject to the same discipline as anyone else.
That's just plain wrong and if some contrived resolution is arrived at to allow Rangers a feather bedded punishment,
I'm finished with Scottish football. After all what would be the point?

[timmylish]

A very clear and concise view of the situation down Ibrokes Way, Dave. By now it does seem to me, rather surprisingly, that at least 70% and maybe more, of regular attending football supporters of all the clubs in Scotland are of a similar opinion, insofar as to the Actings not only of Rangers but the so called Administrators of the game in Scotland. How they can sit there (with a President who was effectively a major part of the whole skulduggery going on there and not only that but a recipient of a NON_REFUNDABLE LOAN to the detriment of all tax payers in the UK) and in the full face of all like minded supporters basically tell them to shut up and**** off 'cause they are going to get this sorted in what, 8 weeks, before the start of a new season. What is particularly galling is that one of them is English and had never ever had any involvement in business in Scotland so he should have been as white as the proverbial Angel.

[junglejim]

I wonder what Darrell King is doing now ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l2KpJXQPtVk#!

Falkirk now kicking off No to Newco in SFL1
http://www.falkirkfc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5986&Itemid=320

[I_N_Cognito]

mmmm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18549293

[Shugstar63]

Thought I might interject and add a little bit of information to your informative thread.
So far, I have spoken to around 40 people who were season ticket holders at Ibrox last season.
2 have sent their renewals back (mental IMHO), 27 are not renewing and the rest are undecided.
The majority are extremely dubious about following Charlie Chuckles' Green & Whyte Army!
And most would want a New Rangers to start off in SFL3 if the league allow entry. (Don't they need 3 years audited accounts?)
A few want Ibrox padlocked up and turned into a museum....(they've had enough)
My guess....... New Rangers Spirit of Govan will not play in any league and Servwhatever shall be liquidated by July 12th.
If I had a contract with RFC.....I'd be on the first bus out of Govan too !
Have to laugh right enough....some supporters of Celtic FC I work with screaming about cheating the hard working British tax payer !
I'm not sure if these people know what integrity means.....:spin:

[Harmonicaman]

Naismith and Whittaker are now lodging objections to being TUPE'd to newco...BBC Scotland (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18560798)

[I_N_Cognito]

Yeh two more on the bus.


And yes, the 12th, Mr Green “The Terminator or Liquidator 2”! (Or the real asset stripper?)

[junglejim]

SFA/SFL/SPL desperately trying to fudge a fix to keep Trigger's Broom as near to top league as possible with "Reconstruction" - pathetic gerrymandering attempt - UEFA will come down on them like a ton of bricks .
Now the marching season is here , the " walking away" has started - betcha Ally is sorry he ever coined that phrase!
As Shakepeare said "TUPE or not TUPE?" :tiphat::wave:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18569993

[Harmonicaman]

SFA/SFL/SPL desperately trying to fudge a fix to keep Trigger's Broom as near to top league as possible with "Reconstruction" - pathetic gerrymandering attempt - UEFA will come down on them like a ton of bricks .
Now the marching season is here , the " walking away" has started - betcha Ally is sorry he ever coined that phrase!
As Shakepeare said "TUPE or not TUPE?" :tiphat::wave:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18569993

Nowt to do with footie, but I got TUPE'd from BT into "Openreach", and was told we had to go! (Legal fight coming up on this as well by Green I think).

[LeFrunk]

just read a lot of the points about the whole saga with Rangers , it would make a good movie sometime down the line . Looks like a NO vote from the SPL clubs but i can understand the fans anger as i follow Leeds Utd and it moer or less happened to our club.

[junglejim]

My understanding (as a shop steward of 30 years) of TUPE was that your conditions of employment remained for 1 year but if you chose not to transfer then you were effectively terminating your contract (No compensation).
Green hasn't a leg to stand on , he hasn't followed correct procedures on communicating to employees = he is a cooked goose!

TUPE Regs. 2008
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file20761.pdf

[LeFrunk]

On the SPL , a nephew of mine will be playing for Hibs this year as he moved from Kilmarnock so i wish him the best of luck for this season .

[timmylish]

What,s his name and I,ll keep an eye out for him.

[I_N_Cognito]

Surprise Surprise .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18582965

[junglejim]

Oh Dear apart from ICT & Hibbees saying No to NewClub to finish them off , more walking aways- plod are now on the plot looking into financial transactions !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18582965
Looks like Craigy, SDM, Withey. Grier,and a few others will be having as much pleasure at HM's expense as everyone else outside this farago!

[TOTO 99]

Lol...From HMRC to HMP.....and all in Jubilee year...:laugh:

[junglejim]

I believe Martin Mc Guinness is going to give Her Majesty a big hug for all the sterling work she has done this year!
Then withdraw Murray's "K" and walk away
Get the flutes out for the Z-cars polis music !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWflrCrwUSw

[LeFrunk]

What,s his name and I,ll keep an eye out for him.

Hi Timmy , hes called Tim Clancey , Defender , not bad to tell you the truth . Hes really looking forward to playing for a big club like Hibs .

[CaribeCelt]

Hi Timmy , hes called Tim Clancey , Defender , not bad to tell you the truth . Hes really looking forward to playing for a big club like Hibs .

Did he not sign from Motherwell???
I seen he signed for the Hibees,but nearly sure he came from Motherwell not Killie.

[junglejim]

Did he not sign from Motherwell???
I seen he signed for the Hibees,but nearly sure he came from Motherwell not Killie.
He came from Motherwell !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18541991

...But was at Kilmarnock season before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Clancy

[LeFrunk]

He came from Motherwell !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18541991

...But was at Kilmarnock season before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Clancy

Sorry folks , forgot about poor Motherwell , dont think he got many games there.

[BobMac]

FIFA and UEFA are now involved

See HERE (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9352507/Rapid-Vienna-report-Rangers-to-Fifa-over-Nikica-Jelavic-debt.html) for details

That's gonna put a rocket up the SFA's a_r_s_e

[junglejim]

Regan from the SFA went on holiday at weekend! He doesn't do walking away - he got a plane!!

[timmylish]

Oh Dear apart from ICT & Hibbees saying No to NewClub to finish them off , more walking aways- plod are now on the plot looking into financial transactions !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18582965
Looks like Craigy, SDM, Withey. Grier,and a few others will be having as much pleasure at HM's expense as everyone else outside this farago!

Well as I reported on here last week regarding the involvement of the Met. Police someone seems anxious to make it seem that its local police who are investigating. Well, I,m assured today that its definitely the Met. who are instructing Strathclyde, I,m very pleased to confirm! (too many trooser lifters at Pitt Street)

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Don,t know if its known on here but I see elsewhere that Chic Murray aka Young is no longer employed by the beeb! Will clarify if I can.

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As I thought it was my mate Barcabhoy who actually broke this latest new about Chico. He,s not saying who called it a day, Chico himself or the Beeb.

[I_N_Cognito]

BREAKING NEWS
Ally McCoist set to quit as boss of newco. A club spokesman said it’s the worst day in our two day history.

[junglejim]

BREAKING NEWS
Ally McCoist set to quit as boss of newco. A club spokesman said it’s the worst day in our two day history.
Oldest most overused joke this week!
However - more walking away today- Nessi , Girafferty, Green now under pressure to provide appropriate documentation by this Friday to SFA (unlikely) - strong rumours Sevco going into admin this week! Green about to resell - the fix is on !

[Harmonicaman]

Ist Division clubs Falkirk and Raith Rovers to vote "NO" to newco in 1st Division...BBC Scotland (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18591278)

[junglejim]

]The End of Days approaches !

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[timmylish]

And still those formerly known as huns maintain that they are being persecuted for the sins of others. On FF they asked why Raith Rovers were voting no to them going into SFL1? They cannot remember wee fat Sally having the gall to insist the names of the Committee (wrong word I know) being made public and the subsequent threats of violence against the directors of RR.

[junglejim]

Naebody likes us
We don't care!
Naebody wants us!
We'll go...... WHERE????
And now the next part of the fiddle takes place , separation of assets for disposal!
http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/108240-rangers-crisis-ibrox-and-murray-park-hived-off-to-separate-newco/

[BobMac]

I went to a place of ill repute the other day and asked the Madam "How much for humiliation?"

She said "£37.50"

Of course, I wanted to know what i got for my money......

She said " a Rangers top and a photo of you wearing it!!!!!"

[junglejim]

Walking Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgLwIV6X51g&feature=player_embedded#!

[I_N_Cognito]

There’s nothing there, ah, got it, bit like the Gers...
:crylaughing:

[junglejim]

There’s nothing there, ah, got it, bit like the Gers...
:crylaughing:
They walked away !
Reloaded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWU0trErN9E&feature=player_embedded

[AL JAY]

Interesting!

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/108463-in-full-document-sent-to-sfl-clubs-to-put-rangers-into-the-first-division/

[Davie Thistle]

............yeah heard that earlier Al Jay,

bullying tactics, blackmail - you put the words to it!
the whole sorry saga is a shambles,

this is the opportunity to re-shape Scottish football, for the best,
and what are they doing? threatening every team in the lower leagues!
it's a disgrace.:dontknow:

[junglejim]

The sound of silence!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylucI-soxJ4&feature=player_embedded

[seanocelt]

In the Daily Record one poor fan has had a "NEWCO" direct debit by fastpay taken from his account for a season ticket, whit a cheek!

[timmylish]

If Paul, the owner of CQN is so worried about the shenanigans going on at Park Gdns. and Hampden Park then I think we should all ce concerned. This is no different to the goings-on in the good old Farry days!
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/
No matter how often the true fans say what they want these rascals try something else to get the huns back in. See this poll by the Scotsman newspaper!
Rangers poll

Friday, 29 June 2012
What league should a newly-formed Rangers be allowed to play in next season?

SPL
50 (0%)

Division One
45 (0%)

Division Two
7 (0%)

Division Three
18434 (99%)

But hey! We they know better for the good of the game in Scotland, no matter if we have to change all the leagues, all the fixtures we will get the huns into where we want! Sickens the life out of me tbh.

[junglejim]

Let's have adrink to absent "friends"! Looks like they've walked away!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_Scotland#Clubs_in_member ship_of_the_Scottish_Premier_League

[Davie Thistle]

Maximum respect to Clyde F.C.!
written statement to SFL ¬

The Club has received a set of papers in advance of the SFL meeting on Tuesday. The essential intent behind those papers is to induce the SFL clubs to agree a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the SFL in the 1st Division in exchange for a range of structural changes to the current set up and some small financial inducements. Some of the proposed changes have merit in principle.

The Board believe that any proposals for change should not be rushed, as these have been. They also have to be done by consensus and not through threat or inducement, again, as these have been.

The papers include a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the 1st Division. This is contrary to the rules of the SFL and nothing within the papers justifies this proposal.

As a club owned by its supporters and recovering from having been on the brink of extinction, the Board of Clyde Football Club recognise the damage done to the credibility of Rangers Football Club by its successive owners, and the subsequent impact on staff and supporters. These proposals do nothing to restore that credibility.

It is not for us to become involved in punishment, that is a matter for the SPL and SFA. The SFL clubs are being asked to change their rules so that the SPL and SFA can apply sanctions that fit short term financial interests.

It is not for us to tell any club what they should want for themselves, but to enter anywhere other than the 3rd Division risks Rangers Football Club being burdened with the legacy of commencing its rebuilding in a manner that they later look back on with regret. Rangers Football Club does not need to be handed a competitive advantage, they are more than capable of returning to the SPL via the 3rd Division on their own merit. Rebuilding from the bottom can restore the dignity stripped from the club by its former owners.

The papers use emotive language to threaten a future of financial meltdown and they carry the implication of the destruction of the game should a Newco not be entered in the 1st Division. If things are as bad as indicated then Scottish Football is in a far worse state than is being acknowledged. In which case it is time to accept the bankrupt model needs fixed and not supported and perpetuated on the back of this proposal. The fact that other clubs might face similar financial distress because Rangers Football Club enter the 3rd Division is hardly a reason to compromise the integrity of the SFL and further compromise Rangers Football Club.

Rather than attempting to prepare a soft landing before delivering sanctions, it would be better to contemplate more radical change that might actually underpin financial stability in the long term for clubs that balance their books. Perhaps an amnesty from sanctions for clubs that are forced to face insolvency procedures in the next 2 years as a result of the current turmoil, and an automatic entry to the 3rd Division for any club liquidated and reformed in similar circumstances. This would allow 2 years to properly restructure the Scottish Game for the benefit of all and undo the damage that has been created by the current structure which encourages club directors to trade integrity for cash, and then spend beyond their means, willingly risking the very existence of football clubs. If we could believe that the game could be less self interested long enough to resolve this, then this, and other far better ideas, might be worth contemplating.

SPL clubs that have openly stated their opposition to a Newco being given immediate access to the SPL have taken the position based on their, and at times, their supporters' view of what is the right thing to do, however, the vote has still to be taken and proposals such as these are premature. If the SPL clubs vote as indicated on the basis of the increasingly discredited notion of sporting integrity, it would be questionable if the SFL clubs did otherwise.

The reality is that we are faced with unique circumstances and it would be foolish to pretend otherwise, that probably means that compromise for some is inevitable, and perhaps even worthwhile for everyone in the long term. The solution however is not this hastily cobbled together proposal.

The Board of this club sees no merit whatsoever in adopting this proposal.

I hope the rest of the first division chairmen ESPECIALLY OURS! - Hang their heads in shame!

[timmylish]

Much to the amazement of the SFA,SPL and SFL at least six chairmen or a designated spokespersons seem to be on board with Clude FC in being prepared to vote against the huns getting admitted to the second tier of Scottish football for next season. I have to confess that I am similarly surprised. btw. What number of clubs associated need to succeed on a no vote. It certainly would not have happened 10 years ago.

[junglejim]

The "rules" say Trigger's Broom needs 23 votes out of 30 to succeed , but there is now propaganda out "suggesting" it is only 16 !
The attempt at a fudge in SFL has now begun but ,a number of SFL clubs have started to come out in strong opposition , especially in light of threats issued in Donkeyasster's recent letter to all clubs this week !
Moves have been afoot since early April to get a "fix" in !!

[Angusjim]

So why all of a sudden interest from Celtic fans about the future of Scottish football does not seem that long ago that ALONG with Rangers they were dictating terms to the rest of Scottish football with threats about TV money etc and then their joint failed bids to get out of Scottish football to play inEngland did they give Scottish football a second thought back then the answer is NO. So gies a break the people who watch the provincial clubs are the people who care about Scottish football Rangers & Celtic have only ever cared about their clubs.

[junglejim]

Don't disagree with you there AJ ! Because of both their business interests , they see a need for a bigger pond and when that was being looked at the Media didn't put out the arguments they are pushing now .
However , as it wasn't going to happen 1 of the clubs chose a particular route which has led to their demise , the other has cut it's cloth accordingly .
The opportunity is there for SFL/SPL clubs to reorganise and perhaps improve all of the set up but what is being proposed is Gerrymandering and bullying to suit 1 particular "Institution"- it will not succeed if the momentum from smaller clubs is kept up.
The executives of the SFA/SFL/SPL have been shown to be not fit for purpose - time for a real root and branch reorganisation!

[Harmonicaman]

Whittaker has signed for Norwich and Kyle Lafferty has signed for Swiss club Sion. Where does that leave Charles Green's claim that they are not "free agents"? More shennanigans to come, I reckon... BBC Sport (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18658196)

[junglejim]

Quote from BBC
BBC Scotland understands the Scottish Football Association could reject an application for international clearance from their English and Swiss counterparts on behalf of he and Whittaker's new clubs.

Scotland's national body claims it would require both the "old" Rangers, which will soon be put into liquidation, and the newco Rangers to give their permission for such clearance to be given.

The players, on advice from their union, PFA Scotland, rejected the opportunity to have their contracts transferred to the "newco" Rangers being created by the consortium led by Charles Green that has bought the Glasgow club's assets.

World governing body Fifa is likely to step into the dispute and grant international clearance for the pair.

However, Green's Sevco consortium rejects the claims of Lafferty, Whittaker and seven other players that they are now free agents.

Green has threatened legal action against any player who signs for another club - and will seek compensation from any club trying to employ them.

His consortium claims that Rangers players agreed to remain at Ibrox on reduced wages while the club were in administration in return for being sold at reduced prices should they go into liquidation.

So there could well be a lengthy dispute between the "newco" Rangers, Norwich, Sion, Lafferty and Whittaker.

Stoke City are in a similar position, although they have yet to formally announce that they have signed Rangers midfielder Jamie Ness.

At Sion, Lafferty will join up with another former Rangers player, Rino Gattuso, the 34-year-old midfielder having signed for the Swiss after exiting AC Milan.
SFA have abrogated their responsibility - they coudn't run a raffle !

[CaribeCelt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY_wjFY9swg&feature=g-vrec

Bomber Brown speaking about the mess...good watch.

[junglejim]

Yes Caribe Celt - there's another 2 videos , not worth listening to "Youse Buys the Pies" (Despite the fact the catering was sold off to Close Co.!)
He's now got a twitter account - the great communicator !(Thinks h'e Jimmy Reid - "There will be no Bevvying!")

https://twitter.com/#!/johnbomberbrown

[seanocelt]

The new Murray ( there's been so many) stood him up for a meeting with Donald "pie n mash" Findlay QC about asset ownership. At least he is asking the right questions.

[Shugstar63]

Oh my word.......you lot are still here !

Well done Caribe for posting the John Brown (you buy all the pies) speech. I hadn't seen that.....as I'd stopped following any developments

Got a spare 20 minutes this morning and thought I'd add a wee post.
Seems that this thread is all about a football club and it's demise, due to dodgy dealings, bad management and down right cheating.

Much has been made about the issue of "Sporting Integrity" and the fact that this club cheated the hard working British tax payer of much needed funds.

Suffice to say this is probably the appropriate thread to post about similar misdemeanors from clubs around the world.

I shall try to make my posts as factual as possible and try to resist the temptation to steal from some of the more biased websites that are inherently one sided.....and peddle nonsense in cyberspace

Since the majority of the posters on here seem to follow Celtic FC I shall start there

This account came from a former player at the club who made 127 appearances in the 1970's.

It was widely known to employees at the club that a certain director had his own "special turnstile" at Celtic Park where any monies that passed through this particular gate were undeclared and became this person's "pocket money"

If the money was undeclared that probably means for part of the 1970's Celtic FC cheated the hard working British tax payer out of much needed funds and gained an unfair advantage by submitting false accounts to the Tax authorities.
Given that the club won 7 League titles in that period I can only conclude "Sorting Integrity" and "Fair Play" were not upheld.:nono:

[junglejim]

Still peddling that Pish Shugsy ? Nobody is denying turnstile income was fiddled ALL over Scottish football, so pick something else to deflect on ffs!
You're beginning to sound like Jabba and his cohorts in the media , Deny,Deflect Obfuscate - RangersFc(IL) are about to be served their just desserts (literally) and Trigger's Broom tomorrow , maybe shortly the FTT(T) will report, then the Crown Office, Then the Appellant Tribunal, The EBT Dual Contracts,Campbell Olgilvie's Demise,then UEFA.....
Anyways ... a little bit of humour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLSd5FospF8&feature=player_embedded

[Shugstar63]

Still peddling that Pish Shugsy ? Nobody is denying turnstile income was fiddled ALL over Scottish football, so pick something else to deflect on ffs!
You're beginning to sound like Jabba and his cohorts in the media , Deny,Deflect Obfuscate - RangersFc(IL) are about to be served their just desserts (literally) and Trigger's Broom tomorrow , maybe shortly the FTT(T) will report, then the Crown Office, Then the Appellant Tribunal, The EBT Dual Contracts,Campbell Olgilvie's Demise,then UEFA.....
Anyways ... a little bit of humour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLSd5FospF8&feature=player_embedded

jj.....I see the truth for what it is.
You were pretty quick to reply.
It is only piish because you don't agree with it.......
I only started with CFC because most on here support the club.
No axe to grind here.......and can you please get it in to your head that I am not a follower of Rangers Spirit of Govan 2012 !
Why are some of your fans so bitter & angry.....comments many have made are starting to think that this fury is not merely about a football club, but something more sinister ?

[junglejim]

I don't disagree with the Turnstile Story- it was common for many clubs - I was 20 in 1970! I saw what was supposed attendances at a number of clubs and the myths about where the money was going.
When you listen to all the supporters clubs opinions , read the rules and precedents in SFA there's little doubt what the decision should be! But...
"Some of our fans are bitter and angry" because we know we have been cheated and lied to over many years.. the Flag, Farry & Cadete, Peat, Dougiegate,McCurry, Dallas, Ogilvie, Smudger,Donkeyasster,Daily Ranger.. how many more do you want?
When you look at the drivel and pish being spun in the media/TV this week alone and all these "Saviours " now rushing to save Sevco you know there's something going on - check Sportsound tonight at 18:10 !
Where were all these saviors prior to Administration - nowhere- now the carcass is being picked bare by all the Jackals !

[Shugstar63]

jj.... I honestly think you've been on too many one sided websites.
Don't you think that there are many fair minded supporters out there (from all clubs)
Unfortunately supporters do not run the SPL, SFA, SFL etc etc etc....
I agree that this sorry episode should expose everything that is wrong with the game in Scotland,.......but I like to look at things with clear vision....I took my blue specs off ages ago....
I do not and never have believed anything that is written in the Scottish press regarding football.
And the eejits that peddle bile online are a disgrace.....but they come from every club in the land unfortunately.
Obsession though is not a good thing.....it has become apparent that people I spend time with are reading and talking about nothing else !
I find it utterly amazing................it is only football.

- - - - - - - - - - merged double post - - - - - - - - - -

Oh sorry the story regards one particular turnstile was not a myth it came from a big "cool"guy who used to play with Celtic and was sort of my namesake.

[Davie Thistle]

........think about it,
your at the game with your mates and the tannoy announces 6,657 at the game,
you look around and the gruns full!! you canny tell me it disny get fiddled!!:devil2:
joke so it is!!!

[junglejim]

Shugs you are a hundred miles away from where you think I am - I read many websites from many different clubs including the dark side !
You may not have noticed but the vast majority of dissent has come from all sorts of supporters and clubs all over the football map .
This isn't just about Trigger's Broom any more , as I said a couple of months ago - due to incompetence and torpor of SFA/SPL
this is affecting all of Scottish Football .
RFC(IL) should not have had a licence last year according to SFA member - how did they get it ?
Watching the angry comments today on SSN of SFL members going into today's meeting should tell everyone how all of Scottish Football feels about this charade !
I have seen similiar stories about turnstiles at many grounds , it was a common joke in the 60's/70's until they were computerised !
It case you haven't noticed I do get involved on other threads here and elsewhere too on other issues , as well as watching tennis today!

[seanocelt]

Used to have a right laugh at attendance announcements, we all did at many gounds. Murray ( sorry, cannae mind first name there's been so many) just apologosed. Its the Minty Murray that needs to apologise, thats what is needed and expected.

[timmylish]

Oh my word.......you lot are still here !

Well done Caribe for posting the John Brown (you buy all the pies) speech. I hadn't seen that.....as I'd stopped following any developments

Got a spare 20 minutes this morning and thought I'd add a wee post.
Seems that this thread is all about a football club and it's demise, due to dodgy dealings, bad management and down right cheating.

Much has been made about the issue of "Sporting Integrity" and the fact that this club cheated the hard working British tax payer of much needed funds.

Suffice to say this is probably the appropriate thread to post about similar misdemeanors from clubs around the world.

I shall try to make my posts as factual as possible and try to resist the temptation to steal from some of the more biased websites that are inherently one sided.....and peddle nonsense in cyberspace

Since the majority of the posters on here seem to follow Celtic FC I shall start there

This account came from a former player at the club who made 127 appearances in the 1970's.

It was widely known to employees at the club that a certain director had his own "special turnstile" at Celtic Park where any monies that passed through this particular gate were undeclared and became this person's "pocket money"

If the money was undeclared that probably means for part of the 1970's Celtic FC cheated the hard working British tax payer out of much needed funds and gained an unfair advantage by submitting false accounts to the Tax authorities.
Given that the club won 7 League titles in that period I can only conclude "Sorting Integrity" and "Fair Play" were not upheld.:nono:

As others have said. Still peddling this same old pish. Nowhere else to try to attach any wrongdoing. Two points. Ye havnae any club to follow now so stop making reference to an extinct beast, for that is what the huns are. Extinct beasts. Integrity is only a word you have picked up due the illegal actings of your former club and whilst on that so called integrity then name the player involved as otherwise it goes down as more pish lacking any credibility as opposed to the evidence which has already been produced against that club formerly known as "Rangers".

[Davie Thistle]

...Hey Shug!
like your avitar!
at least it's a Thistle even if it's larkhall!!!!!!!!:D

[junglejim]

Here you go shug-
http://www.motherwell-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/another_week_of_chaos_ahead_748369/index.shtml
http://www.arabtrust.co.uk/pages/news/current/a-joint-statement-from-arabtrust-the-federation-and-dubc.aspx
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/106910-rangers-fc-liquidation-and-consequences-thread/page__st__31000
http://www.aberdeen-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/aberdeen_fc_says_no_to_newco_748019/index.shtml
http://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/newsitemsdetail.php?param=2076
and so on.. ad nausem !

[Shugstar63]

...Hey Shug!
like your avitar!
at least it's a Thistle even if it's larkhall!!!!!!!!:D

Well spotted Davie, had 3 choices of sides......one was rubbish, one was Shotts BA, but I'd be accused of glory hunting so LTJFC as my Father was born there and it's his team.
Timmy better get yer eyes tested....only club I mentioned in that post was CFC.
Or are you obsessing ?

[Angusjim]

As others have said. Still peddling this same old pish. Nowhere else to try to attach any wrongdoing. Two points. Ye havnae any club to follow now so stop making reference to an extinct beast, for that is what the huns are. Extinct beasts. Integrity is only a word you have picked up due the illegal actings of your former club and whilst on that so called integrity then name the player involved as otherwise it goes down as more pish lacking any credibility as opposed to the evidence which has already been produced against that club formerly known as "Rangers".

Timmy your a buoy for throwing around the " integrity " word, was it a word you learned when working in the timeshare industry which was widely acclaimed for it's " integrity " & honesty

[junglejim]

Another turnstile fiddle Davie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaJn0DjQcOg&feature=player_embedded

[Davie Thistle]

............aye JJ,
got that film in my files!!
I was merrit on the centre circle!:crying2:
:crylaughing:

[junglejim]

SPL vote no to Trigger's Broom in SPL !
Now they have to go cap in hand to SFL looking for a place - apparently rules say 16 votes out of 30 required to say yes !
Meeting next Thursday 12th July - I wonder who'll be on top of the bonfires instead of the usual Pope?

[BobMac]

SPL vote no to Trigger's Broom in SPL !
Now they have to go cap in hand to SFL looking for a place - apparently rules say 16 votes out of 30 required to say yes !
Meeting next Thursday 12th July - I wonder who'll be on top of the bonfires instead of the usual Pope?

Let's hope the SFL clubs show the same resolve as the SPL clubs and force the SFA to actually apply their own rules on this and ensure that they enter the league at the only point that is specified in the rules - SFL Div 3.

I note that Neil Doncaster is spouting all sorts of dark mutterings about how that will cripple the SFL clubs but I can't see what that actually has to do with him - he is only responsible for what happens in the SPL and following today's vote, Rangers fate has absolutely nothing to do with him or the SPL.

[timmylish]

Timmy your a buoy for throwing around the " integrity " word, was it a word you learned when working in the timeshare industry which was widely acclaimed for it's " integrity " & honesty

AJ. A very pertinent question I have to admit. I think that my usage of the word has become more extensive since the word has been freely banded about in the rags aka as the Scottish Daily Newspaper Football pages. In the light of the manner in which you have put the question really requires you to seek the views of my many, past, clients who would be better placed to deal with my integrity which also brings into play, honesty. I would be shocked if I did not receive an overwhelning positive response from those clients.

[Shugstar63]

See OLD Rangers fans following Rangers SOG 2012 want the 3rd anyway......Hope they get in should be a right laugh.Why didn't they tell Charlie Chuckles Green n Whyte Army that !

http://www.football365.com/rangers/7862738/Gers-fans-ready-for-Third-Division

[seanocelt]

So, now that Rnagers are indeed " deid" (would not believe it until action taken), for the SPL next season ( They have not even been liquidated yet!) questions remaining for me;

1/ did Green really get ALL the assets for a measly %.5M££? Reeeeeallly?

2/ is there now no "big tax case".

Answers= we dinae really know do we?

[I_N_Cognito]

So, now that Rnagers are indeed " deid" (would not believe it until action taken), for the SPL next season ( They have not even been liquidated yet!) questions remaining for me;

1/ did Green really get ALL the assets for a measly 5.5M££? Reeeeeallly?

"/ is there now no "big tax case".

Answers= we dinae really know do we?


If he did then i’ts doon the park wi four jumpers.

[BobMac]

Just seen on teletext

The scores on the doors in the vote were as follows

For Admission - Rangers
Against Admission - 10
Abstained - Kilmarnock

[Davie Thistle]

.........EUREKKKKKA!

....here's the solution to all the problems!

get Smeltik to 'volunteer' to drop into the third division with hungers!
keep the two cheeks of the same ars* together!
sorted!!!!!
:whistle:

:devil2:

[seanocelt]

Sky will really fancy that one Davie. Ye big feckin eejit!

[junglejim]

Sean - the consequences of BTC in relation to Trigger's Broomand football have virtually died with liquidation unless they come back as a Phoenix Company , the BDO liquidators when they move in will have the right to investigate and chase individuals through the courts .
The issue of who owns what in terms of assets has still to be fought out as well as all the outsanding SFA/SPL investigations .... it ain't over till it's over !
Davie FFS! you are now the 2nd biggest team in Glesga show some Decorum!

[seanocelt]

Aye Davie cmoan, be happy! Thanks JJ, so the BTC is deid coz the Ranjurz are deid. But Newco Rangers are alive and nae tax bill. Very feckin wrong. Jokin aside what is the point of debate about which league they play in, when the assets could still be taken away leaving them groundless and asset-less?

[I_N_Cognito]

This brings me back to a point I have failed to understand in this whole scenario, if Rangers had assets as have been reported of between 70 and a 100 million, why was the club sold for 5.5 million, I thought the duty of the administrators was to get the best deal for the creditors!
Oh, and I’m not a Celtic supporter, I’m a protestant* Hibs supporter, because I was born in Leith and they were the local team, my interest in keeping this thread going was probably 20% football interest and 80% the financial intrigue and conspiracy content.
*Born a protestant with absolutely no interest in religion, bigger farce than the Rangers fiasco.

[seanocelt]

I am asking the same question, not really getting an answer.........as i stated above £5.5 million, reeeeaaallllly?????

[junglejim]

The value of the "asset" has been frequently discussed - it's only real use is as a football club and as such only 1 team , Trigger's Broom , if it survives the next 2 weeks could really expect to play there - so a limited market.
Repairs and maintenance will be quite high so low price - the previous book values of£100m + were a scam to show accounts as "Not trading while Insolvent" according to quite a few experts ( Celtic park I think is overvalued too).
The area is not prime for redevelopment and is surrounded by a lot of wasteland .
The issue to come up is as "Bomber Brown " is demanding , who owns what and where is Speedy Craigy Bhoy in all this ?
OH dear! Next Friday the Thirteenth!- "Nightmare on Edminston Drive Part 111?" As the embers die on the many bonfires will the embers also die on Scotland's "Bonfires of the Vanities"?

[timmylish]

Can I just add to JJ,s excellent opinion that included in the assets was Murray Park which apparently was shown as having a value of 20 milllion whereas in reality, since there is a covenant over it precluding the building of anything other than for sporting activities so its worth nothing, in real terms. It goes on and on and you also have to remember that everything was over-valued by DM to use the bank's funding to the maximum. That is why there has already been an admission, last week, by the SFA the the huns should not have had a licence to play football under their jurisdiction, last year, because of their precarious financial position. I think that taking everything into account and allowing for the falling value of their players then 15/20 million tops would have been their value at the end of last season. No more than that. Why then 5.5 or 8.5 or Bomber's bid of ?? (he cannot remember the amount cause he was poished as usual) because that,s all the market would stand.

[Shugstar63]

I find it incredulous that you are still talking about a team that are "deid, no more or the walking dead".........................probably because you do not believe it yourselves.
More to do with intrinsic hatred..........................and I have come to the conclusion that this has nothing to to do with football.
Really sad IMHO.

[seanocelt]

Shug i hope you have realised over the months, hatred isnt my agenda/stance. I just found it hard to believe the assets were so worthless. But JJ and TimmyL have enlightened me there. The team may be "deid" but the "Rangers FC" spectre and its re- emergence , whatever guise it may take, and wherever it may play(initially), is still very much a live issue for me.
It must hurt beyond my comprehension, to be fan of what was Rangers, and you youself were quick to " walk away" wanting no part in the "Newco" , which by the way gained you respect here, but my, and (many others on this thread) 's interest is much more than just the liquidation (still to happen), issue, it is its FOOTBALLING implications. So, yes, we have an interest and it aint hatred Shug. This is an important phase for football in Scotland.

[Davie Thistle]

^^^:agree:
wot he said!!!

[CaribeCelt]

Catch yourself on Shug....always trying to play this "hatred"card.
This is still the biggest story in sport at the minute and we are discussing it.
Where is the hatred or bigotry in that??

I came across a story on another forum which I tend to agree with,that Rangers are not dead....only their company died...does the collapse of the company really mean the death of Rangers??
If a club is it's supporters surely Rangers will be alive and kicking in no time.
They have their stadium,supporters,bar Shug,etc etc.
What do the rest of youse think??

[junglejim]

Hatred Shug? doesn't even come close for me!
Where do I start...?
I have been physically beaten, spat on , insulted as a fenian B, tried to be classed as a 2ndClass citizen (unsuccessfully). denied jobs, entry to pubs (even in Tenerife!) and much more ... why would I feel hatred ?
The issue of today is the game of Football in Scotland where rules and integrity are supposed to be enforced but Donkeyasster and even Regan ,as late as yesterday ,admit that Triggers's Broom being placed as high as possible for the sake of a TV contract means the rules don't matter - total corruption!
The SFA/SFL/SPL have to rebuild a better model that can survive without suckling on the nipples of the 2 biggest teams and a TV contract.
The ruling body are about to receive a serious boot up the backside if they do not comply with their own rule book!
When CFC were struggling in 1994 with survival ,I remember the crap and baiting that came our way from all directions - as SuperAlly says "We'll remember the wee fly kicks " - well ,so do we !
Suck it up Shugs , there's much worse to come ...and not just from CFC!
If Bomber Brown succeeds in getting control I will probably die laughing at such an early Xmas present- they deserve him and his anachronistic beliefs!
I hope your 250 season ticket supporters of Trigger's Broom get their money back (or at least their carers get it for them !) I'm shocked that an institution would allow their patients to waste their social money in such a way !

[seanocelt]

Catch yourself on Shug....always trying to play this "hatred"card.
This is still the biggest story in sport at the minute and we are discussing it.
Where is the hatred or bigotry in that??

I came across a story on another forum which I tend to agree with,that Rangers are not dead....only their company died...does the collapse of the company really mean the death of Rangers??
If a club is it's supporters surely Rangers will be alive and kicking in no time.
They have their stadium,supporters,bar Shug,etc etc.
What do the rest of youse think??

Nah! They are deid!! But the ghostship will emerge better off in the long term, which is morally wrong, but thats corporate reality eh? Anyway, i aint afraid of no ghosts. H.H. And a great response above from JJ. Very "heartfelt". Not hateful.

[BobMac]

Even McCoist thinks they should be restart in Div 3 now - see HERE (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/rangers/2012/07/05/ally-mccoist-newco-rangers-should-start-life-in-the-third-division-86908-23904854/)

[junglejim]

The "Presentation" to SPL , meanwhile they were trying to sign Black ! Outright lying 2 faced B.....ds!
Read the associated article!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9379754/Rangers-in-crisis-Friday-the-13th-could-be-particularly-unlucky-for-Ibrox-newco.html#

[Shugstar63]

Oh dear.....you still do not understand yourselves.....suffice to say I am posting for the last time here, as all of the regurgitated nonsense is starting to cause extreme nausea

"The issue of today is the game of Football in Scotland where rules and integrity are supposed to be enforced"

Oh yes.....as Angus Jim earlier stated CFC and Old Rangers were peddling the same b*llocks whilst desperately looking for an escape route....from the very leagues that helped them grow....of course aided and abetted by a fair dose of mutual bigotry.

And now we have the piece de resistance !!! At last....persecution........was waiting for that old chestnut.......yes happened to myself for various reasons? the main one being that unfortunately our planet is polluted with a multitude of bell ends from all cultures, creeds, colours & religions.....much like the scum who left my then (14 year old) younger cousin needing 20 odd stitches to his face whilst traveling to a football match across the Irish Sea many years ago....so brave of them to hurl boulders through a coach window at a kid. So please spare me any insults to my intelligence on that score.....leave that to half wits who know no better.

Words that have bandied about recently.....Morality Dignity and Integrity.

Have to laugh at that.


You know your own Club's history.....but you choose to deny or ignore it.

Adios

Shugstar74

[junglejim]

Byee (Again)! :denied:
:popcorn:

[CaribeCelt]

Bye Shuggie...it must have been hard holding back that hatred for us all that time.

[Angusjim]

Byee (Again)! :denied:
:popcorn:


Bye Shuggie...it must have been hard holding back that hatred for us all that time.

You lot are bullies leave Shug alone :nono::twak:

So are you looking forward to your new derby games against the mighty St Mirren :laugh::laugh:

[CaribeCelt]

I have said that I will miss them and that Rangers leaving will not be good for us in the long run.
I was having a bit of banter with Shug but he kept trying to say we were all closet bigots...come back Shug all is forgiven:D

[Harmonicaman]

You're too late...you've upset him and he's buggered off down the M74 to Larkhall to support the "Thistle". :goodluck:

[junglejim]

He's come back more times than Arnie !

schwarzeneger.csc

[Isle]

Catch yourself on Shug....always trying to play this "hatred"card.
This is still the biggest story in sport at the minute and we are discussing it.
Where is the hatred or bigotry in that??

I came across a story on another forum which I tend to agree with,that Rangers are not dead....only their company died...does the collapse of the company really mean the death of Rangers??
If a club is it's supporters surely Rangers will be alive and kicking in no time.
They have their stadium,supporters,bar Shug,etc etc.
What do the rest of youse think??

The old club is liquidated. The stadium and supporters are the same.
Nobody know how the newco will look. The Newco have just 8 players
at the moment.

I believe the scottish football doesn´t hang on just two big clubs.
The liquadation of Rangers has a chance for rebuilding the scottish
football without being dependent on just two clubs.

Other clubs have been banned to Div 3. It happen to Livingston
(2006) and to Gretna (2008).

I believe scottish football has more to offer and here´s the chance
for a change.

And although I´m a Celtic fan, I would say the same
if Celtic where in that
situation.

[Angusjim]

The old club is liquidated. The stadium and supporters are the same.
Nobody know how the newco will look. The Newco have just 8 players
at the moment.

I believe the scottish football doesn´t hang on just two big clubs.
The liquadation of Rangers has a chance for rebuilding the scottish
football without being dependent on just two clubs.

Other clubs have been banned to Div 3. It happen to Livingston
(2006) and to Gretna (2008).

I believe scottish football has more to offer and here´s the chance
for a change.

And although I´m a Celtic fan, I would say the same
if Celtic where in that
situation.

I am afraid your statement about Scottish football not hanging on two clubs is not borne out by facts, numerous small clubs from the lower divisions would have went to the wall if they had not had the good fortune in drawing the old firm in the Scottish cup over the years.

[Isle]

I am afraid your statement about Scottish football not hanging on two clubs is not borne out by facts, numerous small clubs from the lower divisions would have went to the wall if they had not had the good fortune in drawing the old firm in the Scottish cup over the years.

We could always see things from 2 sides. I´ve respect for small clubs.
There is not only black and white, not even in scottish football.

[seanocelt]

Anyone think Angus Jim whilst slating us about derbies against St Mirren, is secretly hyper and walking on air, at the thought of counting the wee baubees that may come Brechin or Forfar's way when Newco's De-ranger's fans hit toon with awe their dole money? We are watching you Bridie Boy!

[Angusjim]

Anyone think Angus Jim whilst slating us about derbies against St Mirren, is secretly hyper and walking on air, at the thought of counting the wee baubees that may come Brechin or Forfar's way when Newco's De-ranger's fans hit toon with awe their dole money? We are watching you Bridie Boy!

No comment :whistle::whistle:

[junglejim]

Sean here's a considered opinion on the value of the deal and the likelyhood of Gratuitous Alienation and consequences !

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/sevco-director-admits-rangers-assets-bought-at-undervalue-liquidator-should-take-assets-back/

[seanocelt]

Spent a lot of yesterday discussing hat very topic, thanks JJ.

[timmylish]

Well, until he makes his next comeback, I,m delighted that Shug has ..cked off.

[marbro8]

i can't believe what has happened to rangers, they are such a massive club with a fan base that many clubs would be proud of, i remember years ago me and my mates tried to get tickets to some rangers games but they were all sold out, surely it would have been better for the fans to have set up a consortium to buy it???

[timmylish]

i can't believe what has happened to rangers, they are such a massive club with a fan base that many clubs would be proud of, i remember years ago me and my mates tried to get tickets to some rangers games but they were all sold out, surely it would have been better for the fans to have set up a consortium to buy it???

They word you need to use with them is "were". They are no more, finito, finished but of course rather than taking the opportunity of starting afresh, new club with none of the religous bigotry and with no defrauding the UK Taxpayer (you and me whether now or in the past) to enable them use that money to further their efforts to beat other, honest law abiding clubs, large (Celtic) and small (Raith Rovers as an example) but, no. Like the hard core twisted support (including members on here)who wish to maintain the old values and carry on the good work they see as having been stolen from them. They still cannot see what they did wrong over the years of the last decades.
Fans? So loyal and so proud could not even raise a deposit of 500,000 pound. 10 FROM EACH OF LAST SEASONS TICKET HOLDERS! Amazing just amazing.

[Angusjim]

I was hearing last night that Brechin City are going to farm out a couple players to Rangers to get them some 1st team experience. Nice to see the bigger clubs helping out the new clubs :laugh::wave:

[Harmonicaman]

Hung out to dry...:whistle:

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy13/harmonicaman_photos/Capture-25.png

[seanocelt]

So, if anyone has wondered where i have been "coming from" of late. Here.............is where i have been coming from; i simply dinae believe a word Green/Whyte ( thank **** there is no Gold) say;

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-newco-charles-green-consortium-put-50m-sale-price-on-club-1-2400417

Read it, comment on it, i think and have done for a while, asset stripping is the name of the game.

[junglejim]

Sean , that article is a re-tread of information posted last week from Paul McConville and others - the blatant attempt this week by SFL/SFA and media to force Trigger's Broom into SFL1 will continue .
Comments yesterday from Burley and others have only infuriated the SFL Chairmen and a possibility is that there will be nowhere for Sevco scotland to go !
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/08/craig-burley-column-sfl-minnows-must-vote-rangers-newco-into-first-division-86908-23906004/
Burley is gradually becoming one of the most hated ex- Celtic players around with his cheap and nasty comments in print and on ESPN.

And just to add insult!...
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2012/07/09/crisis-hit-rangers-fail-to-get-into-the-subbuteo-big-league-86908-23906256/

[seanocelt]

The licence is one (of many) issues, but these assets are worth more than they were bought for and Paul Mc Conville has pointed out a process whereby they could be snatched back from Green and sold. So, no ground , training ground, car park, money, players or licence could still be possible. And the Rangers Supporters Trust DEMAND, in a rage, that they go to Div 3? They may be feckin lucky to even get that. Burley, just shut up, silly laddie.

[Davie Thistle]

....burleys an ar*e!:twak:

& divvy 3 is the BEST they can hope for.

[timmylish]

It really makes me wonder how people like Burley get top tv jobs with loads of dosh. Surely there are more intelligent, non affiliated, with a bad word to say aout his old club and certainly not a bigot.
btw. Love the Bhoys of the Huddleboard taking steps to "sponsor" players from lower league teams. We,ll soon be seeing the HB in match day programmes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously the players to be sponsored are former Celtic players or ones with a connection.

[marbro8]

omg that is absolutely ridiculous, and i should think fraudulent??? if the club would be worth 50 mill on a bad day we must have been on the brink of armageddon when they got it for 5.5 mill?surely something can be done about this travesty? if it were possible i would get a consortium of rangers fans together buy a big piece of waste ground near to the old ground, develop it into a nice stadium and rename the new team rangers a.f.c, i know they would have to start from the bottom but in 3-4 years they could be back at the top and leave the pratts that have bought the rangers name and team with a massive building plot and egg on their faces, because the team are only as good as the fans that follow them, look at mk dons they get about average 9,000 fans and the old proper wimbledon get about 2,000

[junglejim]

omg that is absolutely ridiculous, and i should think fraudulent??? if the club would be worth 50 mill on a bad day we must have been on the brink of armageddon when they got it for 5.5 mill?surely something can be done about this travesty? if it were possible i would get a consortium of rangers fans together buy a big piece of waste ground near to the old ground, develop it into a nice stadium and rename the new team rangers a.f.c, i know they would have to start from the bottom but in 3-4 years they could be back at the top and leave the pratts that have bought the rangers name and team with a massive building plot and egg on their faces, because the team are only as good as the fans that follow them, look at mk dons they get about average 9,000 fans and the old proper wimbledon get about 2,000
Yes they could buy a piece of waste ground close by , I think it's called St Mirren but the supporters of St Mirren rejected them !
Cowdenbeath (as I previously commented on some time ago ) have Donald Findlay (a Trojan horse?) as their Chairman look a good prospect !
Unfortunately "The team are only as good as their supporters" is not a good comment - that'll be the 200,000 that rioted in Manchester but couldn't raise cash to save their "Instichuchion"?

[BobMac]

WTF

Apparently the £5.5 million was made up of £2.75 million for players contracts, £1.5 Million for Ibrox & Murray parks + Car Park

This is now in the realms of the absolutely farcical

What were those frigging idiots of administrators actually doing ??

They certainly weren't representing the Creditors.

See HERE (WTF Apparently the £5.5 million was made up of £2.75 million for players contracts, £1.5 Million for Ibrox & Murray parks + Car Park This is now in the realms of the absolutely farcical What were those frigging idiots of administrators actually doing ?? They certainly weren't representing the Creditors. See here for details - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/11/rangers-in-crisis-report-shows-charles-green-paid-2-75m-for-player-contracts-at-ibrox-86908-23907277/) for details

[junglejim]

Yes BobMac -posted this earlier on Celtic thread - once Lord Hodge gets his report from the Administrators on their behaviour and BDO liquidators move in , the fur will fly!
They personally have fees over £3m now , not to mention other legal fees for mates over £2m!!

[seanocelt]

Been driving at this point for a while now, and i await the new " we are real administrators" actions with interest.

[junglejim]

Oh the Ignomy , now you can't even get a Kilt in their Tartan !
http://www.thekiltcompany.com/kilt_hire.asp

[CaribeCelt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVlbenGJ8u0

Especially for Shuggie.
Happy 12th of July.......for it was old and it wa...:D

[timmylish]

WTF

Apparently the £5.5 million was made up of £2.75 million for players contracts, £1.5 Million for Ibrox & Murray parks + Car Park

This is now in the realms of the absolutely farcical

What were those frigging idiots of administrators actually doing ??

They certainly weren't representing the Creditors.

See HERE (WTF Apparently the £5.5 million was made up of £2.75 million for players contracts, £1.5 Million for Ibrox & Murray parks + Car Park This is now in the realms of the absolutely farcical What were those frigging idiots of administrators actually doing ?? They certainly weren't representing the Creditors. See here for details - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/11/rangers-in-crisis-report-shows-charles-green-paid-2-75m-for-player-contracts-at-ibrox-86908-23907277/) for details

According to so called informed sources on FF they have just realised that Green, Whyte and Murray to-gether with Ticketus are in this to-gether! Oh the pain finding out you,ve been ****ed and just when you though it over, you get ****ed again, by the same people!

[seanocelt]

According to so called informed sources on FF they have just realised that Green, Whyte and Murray to-gether with Ticketus are in this to-gether! Oh the pain finding out you,ve been ****ed and just when you though it over, you get ****ed again, by the same people!

Now THAT adds up to me. Big "honshake" economics.

[junglejim]

Now THAT adds up to me. Big "honshake" economics.

Even the Daily Ranger (IL) recognise the scam !
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/12/rangers-in-crisis-administrators-report-reveals-charles-green-bought-assets-worth-110m-for-just-1-5m-86908-23907502/

[seanocelt]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/07/12/rangers-in-crisis-administrators-report-reveals-charles-green-bought-assets-worth-110m-for-just-1-5m-86908-23907502/

Indeed JJ. "book value"! Like nobody would bid more in time,nonesense, total lies.





Black(mail) Friday 13th tomorrow; The day Scottish football clubs, with a gun to their heads loaded with the bullets of "here's a million quid each to keep you alive"/ "next season 3 teams go up from division 1 incase Rangers dinae win it 1st go", have to vote on Newco's league status. The day after the 12th. I think it is all set up and agreed already.

[timmylish]

Just who is this financial expert the Daily Rectum have consulted? The reason I ask is that I,ve always been of the understanding that Ibrokes was not a listed building and that only the facade was. Bit of a difference in valuation if I,m correct.

[Angusjim]

WTF

Apparently the £5.5 million was made up of £2.75 million for players contracts, £1.5 Million for Ibrox & Murray parks + Car Park

This is now in the realms of the absolutely farcical

What were those frigging idiots of administrators actually doing ??

They certainly weren't representing the Creditors.

See HERE (WTF Apparently the £5.5 million was made up of £2.75 million for players contracts, £1.5 Million for Ibrox & Murray parks + Car Park This is now in the realms of the absolutely farcical What were those frigging idiots of administrators actually doing ?? They certainly weren't representing the Creditors. See here for details - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/11/rangers-in-crisis-report-shows-charles-green-paid-2-75m-for-player-contracts-at-ibrox-86908-23907277/) for details

I have dealt with numerous administrators over the years with building companies going down due us money and in fact we are dealing 2 at the moment and they are all without exception only intrested in one thing, their fees. They have no interest in the creditors that is a myth, it is very very rare that anything ever happens to directors even when fraud has clearly been committed. In the last 20 years we have received not one penny in the pound back from any claims we have made, the whole system is a farce. Although the scale of this is much much greater I fear the outcome will be the same unless HMRC want to spend a few hundred thousand pounds proving the fraud, and in that case it will be the good old taxpayers footing the bill:(.

[seanocelt]

Interesting points AJ.

But whit's aw this; http://sport.stv.tv/football/110602-brechin-city-will-vote-yes-to-newco-rangers-playing-in-the-first-division/


TRAITOR!!!! I was right the bridie boys have smelled the cash! LOL!!l

[Angusjim]

Interesting points AJ.

But whit's aw this; http://sport.stv.tv/football/110602-brechin-city-will-vote-yes-to-newco-rangers-playing-in-the-first-division/


TRAITOR!!!! I was right the bridie boys have smelled the cash! LOL!!l

No comment :fpull:

PS Bridie boy refers to Farfar nae the City

[seanocelt]

I ken that but you are close enough wee bawbee counters. Traitors! lol.

[Angusjim]

I ken that but you are close enough wee bawbee counters. Traitors! lol.

Just cause Shug has gone due to you and your cronnies bullying him dinae start on the Teuchtar or nae bridies for you at new year:bootyshake:

[junglejim]

Don't Bully AJ , just Facts & Data - judging by comments in media and news tonight at least 17 SFL clubs want Trigger's Broom in 3rd Division - so re-organisation is a dead duck yet it is badly needed - but only if it helps Green's Dream Team ?
They couldn't make the favoritism and bias more obvious !
We'll see what tomorrow brings!

[seanocelt]

No talk of re-org before Rangers time bomb went aff, now its a priority, self serving fitba blazers in Scotland, never changes.

[timmylish]

Div. 3 it is then, as I understand. You,ve heard it here before an announcement!

[Angusjim]

Div. 3 it is then, as I understand. You,ve heard it here before an announcement!

Timmy thats nae what I have heard and there is a chance we could both be wrong:wink2:

[seanocelt]

BBC and Sky say vote 25 for 5 against Div ( Brechin, Brechin, Brechin, Stenny and Ranjurz).

[junglejim]

Div 3 itis then... let's see what happens next!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/

:coffee::popcorn:

[AL JAY]

Rangers Div Three is an anagram of..... Rather Deserving :crylaughing::wow:

[BobMac]

Rangers Div Three is an anagram of..... Rather Deserving :crylaughing::wow:

I wish people would stop referring to Rangers - Rangers no longer exist, they are officially defunct, dead, no more.

As far as I know, no one has actually said what the new clubs official name will actually be but it WONT be Rangers.

More importantly, they have only been cleared to join the SFL Div 3 - they have still to satisfy the SFA requirements before they will be given a licence to actually allow them to play in any league and one of the main conditions of that being issued is that the newco accepts liability for the old clubs indiscretions.

[junglejim]

Peterhead away first game - gonna need a Sat Nav for Jimmy Bell!

here ye go Shug , right back at ye! Welcome to IRN-BRU Division 3 for Phannies !:crylaughing::crylaughing::crylaughing:

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[AL JAY]

I wish people would stop referring to Rangers - Rangers no longer exist, they are officially defunct, dead, no more.

As far as I know, no one has actually said what the new clubs official name will actually be but it WONT be Rangers.

More importantly, they have only been cleared to join the SFL Div 3 - they have still to satisfy the SFA requirements before they will be given a licence to actually allow them to play in any league and one of the main conditions of that being issued is that the newco accepts liability for the old clubs indiscretions.

Until they are re-named we have to refer to them as Rangers!!!

The SFA/SPL lobbied hard to keep Rangers as high in the league structure as possible - bluntly because that is how Scottish football makes the most money (Old Firm games).

It was put to the vote of the clubs, all of whom have virtually unanimously said no - they start at the bottom.

Rangers just spent millions without any reasonable prospect of being able to actually pay out on their debts. Flat out ignored the rules on the basis of 'we're Rangers, they can't let us go'.

I have no opinion on the club either way to be honest, but starting at the bottom is the only way for me. They didn't just break the rules, they assumed they didn't apply to them.

[BobMac]

Until they are re-named we have to refer to them as Rangers!!!

The SFA/SPL lobbied hard to keep Rangers as high in the league structure as possible - bluntly because that is how Scottish football makes the most money (Old Firm games).

It was put to the vote of the clubs, all of whom have virtually unanimously said no - they start at the bottom.

Rangers just spent millions without any reasonable prospect of being able to actually pay out on their debts. Flat out ignored the rules on the basis of 'we're Rangers, they can't let us go'.

I have no opinion on the club either way to be honest, but starting at the bottom is the only way for me. They didn't just break the rules, they assumed they didn't apply to them.

Totally agree with you - the bottom is possibly too good.

My point was actually that at the moment, where they start is academic as they haven't yet satisfied the SFA conditions for their playing licence.

Until they do that they aren't playing anywhere

[timmylish]

I remain convinced that they may not play "league" football for at least next season. All the a/c,s, docs, backing etc within the next 3 weeks. Oh. And the start of the Liquidation process. I also think newco will be bust before the SPL flag flies over Celtic Park this coming season.

[seanocelt]

I think you may well be right. You have been a lot lately. Cannot fathom the SFA outrage when 1/ possible licence refusal. 2/ possible fire sale of assets by HBO. 3/ possible cash flow nightmare forcing liquidation 2. Try telling any of THAT to some dimwits who are harping on about "this is what we want, Div3 , Nacho and Albertz maybe coming back. ". Aye, for free like? Thats what im reading on Facebook. What DO they drink? Irn Bru? (the fa.....s)

[junglejim]

AJ a bit of clarity please - who do Trigger's Broom play inThe Ramsden(The Pawnbrokers!) Cup ? Is it Forar or Brechin ? Ally demands to know !!:angry:
Any predictions on the result ? :crylaughing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-challenge-cup/fixtures

I just hope they can afford the price of the fuel for their opening games as they are up and down the lenght of the country for the first few games ! Just wait till winter and the call offs due to no undersoil heating! They'll be asking for an extension to the season !
Winter woolies for all !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-third-division/fixtures

[Angusjim]

AJ a bit of clarity please - who do Trigger's Broom play inThe Ramsden(The Pawnbrokers!) Cup ? Is it Forar or Brechin ? Ally demands to know !!:angry:
Any predictions on the result ? :crylaughing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-challenge-cup/fixtures

I just hope they can afford the price of the fuel for their opening games as they are up and down the lenght of the country for the first few games ! Just wait till winter and the call offs due to no undersoil heating! They'll be asking for an extension to the season !
Winter woolies for all !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-third-division/fixtures

John Yorkson in the Daily Record online repeated today what he said yesterday on the radio http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/14/dunfermline-chairman-john-yorkston-admits-it-s-possible-spl-could-welcome-rangers-back-into-spl-86908-23908305/ no smoke without fire :dontknow:

[CaribeCelt]

Rangers have finally got their wish of playing in England...Berwick away:lol::whistle:

[seanocelt]

Leaked Regan email from weeks ago causing more fireworks. Rangers followers think he is a Celtic Minded chap, appointed as such, and want blood.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9400788/Rangers-in-crisis-SFA-chief-Stewart-Regan-could-become-latest-casualty-in-saga-after-email-leak.html

[Angusjim]

Please look at www.footballgroundguide.com/scotland/brechin_city.htm which will help Rangers fans for their 1st competitive game of the season. I can recommend the Swan for a good pint and Indian meal before the match we were there last night:yum: That is of course if the SPL do not do an about turn on Monday which cannot be discounted, the SFL vote has put them in really bad place by not doing what was expected of them. :c2::c2:

[junglejim]

I was in my local last night listening to the mourners claiming that there was to be an emergency meeting on Monday to reverse SPL decision ! Totally on a different planet (Probably the one where Jellyfeet was £9 million player)!
Media on a roll today with a final push for Trigger's Broom back in SPL - unfortunately 5 clubs will not reverse their decision, so it's going to be a " Diddy Team"in SFL3.

[Angusjim]

I was in my local last night listening to the mourners claiming that there was to be an emergency meeting on Monday to reverse SPL decision ! Totally on a different planet (Probably the one where Jellyfeet was £9 million player)!
Media on a roll today with a final push for Trigger's Broom back in SPL - unfortunately 5 clubs will not reverse their decision, so it's going to be a " Diddy Team"in SFL3.

JJ problem is you might end up with a 5 or 6 team SPL before christmas which will included Dundee who really don't want and can not afford to go up but might be forced too.:(

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I was in my local last night listening to the mourners claiming that there was to be an emergency meeting on Monday to reverse SPL decision ! Totally on a different planet (Probably the one where Jellyfeet was £9 million player)!
Media on a roll today with a final push for Trigger's Broom back in SPL - unfortunately 5 clubs will not reverse their decision, so it's going to be a " Diddy Team"in SFL3.

JJ problem is you might end up with a 5 or 6 team SPL before christmas which will included Dundee who really don't want and can not afford to go up but might be forced too.:(

[junglejim]

Aj . we should have the re-organisation but not for the sole purpose of saving Trigger's Broom- Regan & Doncaster having their final fling of the dice?... or Media trying to save their own jobs?
Scottish Football has to adjust to reality and perhaps allow more homebred youngsters into game instead of playing overpaid, overrated foreigners to dominate.

[Angusjim]

Aj . we should have the re-organisation but not for the sole purpose of saving Trigger's Broom- Regan & Doncaster having their final fling of the dice?... or Media trying to save their own jobs?
Scottish Football has to adjust to reality and perhaps allow more homebred youngsters into game instead of playing overpaid, overrated foreigners to dominate.

Thing is some times needs must as the saying goes, and it is not only the SPL teams that suffer there is going to be less money handed down to the lower leagues and a few of them will also disappear. Maybe Scottish government / local government will have to stand in with some grant monies to support football teams for a couple of years who knows worrying times

[seanocelt]

Aj . we should have the re-organisation but not for the sole purpose of saving Trigger's Broom- Regan & Doncaster having their final fling of the dice?... or Media trying to save their own jobs?
Scottish Football has to adjust to reality and perhaps allow more homebred youngsters into game instead of playing overpaid, overrated foreigners to dominate.



BESTEST post on the thread so far J.J. Would not be amazed if U turn attempted though. Note A.J. running around getting commissions sorted for pubs, restaurants and bakers in the North East lol! Many a mickle maks a muckle, as they say in Angus. I think.

[Angusjim]

BESTEST post on the thread so far J.J. Would not be amazed if U turn attempted though. Note A.J. running around getting commissions sorted for pubs, restaurants and bakers in the North East lol! Many a mickle maks a muckle, as they say in Angus. I think.

What ever do you mean although strangly enough my meal and drinks were free last night :whistle:. As for the U turn watch this space they had hoped the SFL would sort out the problem by puting Newco in Div 1 its reality time now and they are in the **** your new derby team are one of the first doing a U turn

[junglejim]

This was the plan that was to be hatched but was leaked - conspiracy or what?

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-leaked-email/2305

Where's the dual contract result, the Appellant Tribunal , The SFA membership result, the Accounts, UEFA/FIFA hammer =-lots to come yet !

[AJP]

sky have apologised to customers for advertising all Rangers games in 3D........ They meant D3:lol:

[junglejim]

Never heard that one before!:crylaughing::crylaughing::crylaughing:
boredasfcuk.csc

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[timmylish]

So the apologists continue to deny the wrongdoings of the former "hun". Still trying to strike fear into those clubs who are already flying close to the wind but those who have the courage to stand by their decision on Friday will benefit from the resultant increase in fan revenue thru' the turnstiles. This revenue is free as it does not cost anything to take money from Celtic supporters to pay at the turnstiles and for the additional spend they make in the grounds and revenues taken in the supporters shops. Sky has said nowt so that must mean they are pulling out,-my ****. ESPN continuing in Scotland. Sky will be sure to consider just how many clients they have in Scotland. Per head per capita Scotland has more paying clients (households) than any other part of the UK. Lose a large proportion of that clientele-no chance. They will still have some Scottish involvement, possibly reduced but not wiped out as suggested by Reagan. Up and down the country more and more supporters of clubs saying they intend going back to games and I anticipate at least 5000 traveling Celtic supporters at each away game. That would produce an income of 150,000 pounds twice a year alone! Now that is without their own season tickets and home support. If St. Mirren and ICT are saying that they will go bust then I think that would have happened anyway! Only time will tell but I still see things remaining as now is with "them", "zombies" or whatever they will be called either in Div.3 or nowhere to be seen at the behest of Green the Asset stripper (which I still think highly likely). Monday already. Have a good day bhoys and ghirls. I shall.

[seanocelt]

Also, many in Ireland, N Ireland and parts of England and Wales too, are Sky subscribers who follow the SPL. It all adds up, they have said nothing, if they threaten coverage withdrawal/less money they will lose subscribers, and to their competiiton as someone else will want to cover it. Scaremongering goes on, to suit agendas , but our game will go on for longer.

[junglejim]

sky have apologised to customers for advertising all Rangers games in 3D........ They meant D3:lol:

Thought I'd get this one in first
" Trigger's Broom's new sponsors will be Tampax as they are going through a very bad period!"
I'll get my coat ! :run:

[seanocelt]

Tis Dundee up, while all work together to facilitate Div 3 Newco. That mean give a licence, pray the asstes are not gobbled up by the taxman/Ticketus, keep the name, no more sanctions and promotion for the top 8 teams in div 3?

[junglejim]

]Just wait now for the possibility of legal challenges from DAFC & The Spartans !
Killie Chairman elected to SPL Board - guy's a tosser . Killie first to go burst!
Will have to amend fixtures as well for Dundee/Dundee Utd.
AJ get the smokies out for Trigger's Broom !

From BBC

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Looks like Rangers' first game of the new season will be a trip to Brechin on 28 July in the Ramsdens Challenge Cup.
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[boredinscotland]

Anyone get the feeling Green will just flog the lot, take the money and do one. Maybe Spartans will still get in yet. Lots of twists aaand turns yet to go

[junglejim]

AJ , cancel the Bridies unless you get money up front in an order - rumours afoot the game's a bogey !
C'mon the Spartans !

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/111126-rangers-league-place-at-risk-as-scottish-fa-insist-signing-ban-must-stand/

[timmylish]

That is one hell of an article. Just cannot make my mind up as which way this one will pan out. It might just bring my doomsday scenario closer.

[seanocelt]

Actually heard that interview live. When he (Green) spoke about a "balance between what is fair" i collapsed in a heap. Who the **** is he to say what is fair? Have the poor sods who will go bust/lay off staff/pay no bonuses to shareholders, because they all got stiffed good n proper, cried about it being "no fair"? A couple o weeks in as preferred bidder and he is singing the same hymns as his predecessors. He must be deeply regretting getting into this farce.

[junglejim]

AJ the competition you face!(If the game takes place, you might get a bye!)
http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=231643&st

[Angusjim]

AJ the competition you face!(If the game takes place, you might get a bye!)
http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=231643&st

Maybe even get TV cameras for the big event (if it goes ahead). Will nae be happy if it does not go ahead as Dundee would have been good earner for us they always bring a decent crowd to Glebe Park and we beat them last time they were there.

[junglejim]

Charlie Green flying to Switzerland today to see Uefa , Craig Whyte also flying to Zurich today - what a coincidence!
Sniff! Sniff!

[Angusjim]

Charlie Green flying to Switzerland today to see Uefa , Craig Whyte also flying to Zurich today - what a coincidence!
Sniff! Sniff!


Thats it JJ no new allegations / Scandal about Newco today so just make up your own
:lol::lol:

[seanocelt]

Maybe even get TV cameras for the big event (if it goes ahead). Will nae be happy if it does not go ahead as Dundee would have been good earner for us they always bring a decent crowd to Glebe Park and we beat them last time they were there.

MONEY MONEY MONEY. There's gold in them thar (Angus) hills, cue the goldrush! "Get yer Blue Bridies here", "LOYAL-ty cards discoont on beer" .

[junglejim]

Thats it JJ no new allegations / Scandal about Newco today so just make up your own
:lol::lol:
Not mine AJ - on several message boards !
Will Brechin game be moved to Dundee ?(if they get a licence to play football!)

[Angusjim]

MONEY MONEY MONEY. There's gold in them thar (Angus) hills, cue the goldrush! "Get yer Blue Bridies here", "LOYAL-ty cards discoont on beer" .

How do you know what colour Newco will be playing in? we welcome anyone who will put money into the " biscuit tin " :wink2::lol:

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Not mine AJ - on several message boards !
Will Brechin game be moved to Dundee ?(if they get a licence to play football!)
Taken from Brechin City website today

"The Club has now received confirmation from The Scottish Football League and Tayside Police that the Ramsdens Cup tie with Rangers will be held at Glebe Park, Brechin on Saturday 28th July with a 3.00 pm kick off. Ticket sale arrangements and will be announced here on Wednesday 18th July"

[junglejim]

We have eyes everywhere AJ - Opus Dei ! Didn't you know about the "Unseen Fenian Hand" of UEFA/FIFA ?

Now, as I have stated previously, stalking someone is highly illegal in France and Monaco so I have absolutely no idea how someone can tell me that our hero CW boarded a plane this morning at 10.40 to Zurich (LX563). Maybe he has a business meeting there? Maybe it’s just a wild guess? :)

[BobMac]

It gets better by the day this fiasco

SFA has confirmed that it has the power to enforce the Oldco punishment on the Newco - see HERE (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18873231) for details

Apparently they can apply any conditions they want on the Newco as part of the licence application agreement.

[junglejim]

Not quite BobMac , that's why they went to Court of Session and had the embargo overturned as it wasn't on list of sanctions - however if they want transfer of membership (******** by the way) they have to accept Regan's bluff .
They can apply as a New Club but do not meet all criteria and other clubs do - e.g. Spartans !
Going to UEFA/FIFA is only attracting a big hammer - " Death by Cop" by Charlie - I think he wants the club dead!

[BobMac]

Not quite BobMac , that's why they went to Court of Session and had the embargo overturned as it wasn't on list of sanctions - however if they want transfer of membership (******** by the way) they have to accept Regan's bluff .
They can apply as a New Club but do not meet all criteria and other clubs do - e.g. Spartans !
Going to UEFA/FIFA is only attracting a big hammer - " Death by Cop" by Charlie - I think he wants the club dead!

It has nothing top do with the previous sanctions - apparently the SFA can apply any conditions it wants on accepting a new club into the SFL as detailed in the statement

"However, the SFA has revealed it can attach discretionary conditions to Rangers' application for membership."

"Transfer of membership will be reviewed by the board, which will have the complete discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as the board may think fit."

"Now that the club's status has been confirmed by the SPL and SFL, we will consider the award of transfer once Rangers FC satisfy the necessary criteria."

[AL JAY]

:wink2:Is this the Rangers team bus?:whistle:


https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/7/13/EMWujcBOwkCtotkmihbifw2.jpg

[BobMac]

:wink2:Is this the Rangers team bus?:whistle:


https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/7/13/EMWujcBOwkCtotkmihbifw2.jpg

If the players keep leaving at the rate they are going at now, that bus is too big, a 14 seater minibus will do.

[junglejim]

How do you know what colour Newco will be playing in? we welcome anyone who will put money into the " biscuit tin " :wink2::lol:

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Taken from Brechin City website today

"The Club has now received confirmation from The Scottish Football League and Tayside Police that the Ramsdens Cup tie with Rangers will be held at Glebe Park, Brechin on Saturday 28th July with a 3.00 pm kick off. Ticket sale arrangements and will be announced here on Wednesday 18th July"
Will you be paying to get in AJ or looking over the "Hedge" ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18868680

[Davie Thistle]

...............theres a tandem bycycle going cheap at Firhill!!!

:crylaughing:

[crowthornebear]

Fans of other clubs can gloat all they want but deep down they all know that we will return and return stronger, always easy to kick someone or something when they are down but this will not be forgiven.

People will lose jobs and not only at Ibrox, there are people who were at Ibrox who have to take the lions share of the blame but the SFA/SPL and associaties are also to blame for this fiasco.

WATP

[seanocelt]

Nice of you to contribute Mr Bear. The lion's share of the blame? Did you not gloat along with felllow fans when your club took the lion's share of success?- That was gained from cheating? Im not gloating, just wished your club had played by the rules.

[BobMac]

Fans of other clubs can gloat all they want but deep down they all know that we will return and return stronger, always easy to kick someone or something when they are down but this will not be forgiven.

People will lose jobs and not only at Ibrox, there are people who were at Ibrox who have to take the lions share of the blame but the SFA/SPL and associaties are also to blame for this fiasco.

WATP

Fans of other clubs are hardly gloating about the demise of Rangers.

Most of them are just happy that the rest of the clubs actually had the balls to insist that the SPL, SFL and SFA actually applied their rules to Rangers in the same way that they have applied them to other clubs in the past.

I don't doubt for one minute that starting again from scratch will make make them a stronger team, assuming of course that they are willing to accept the conditions imposed by the SFA which will allow them to actually play in SFL Div 3 this season.

If they don't accept these conditions, you might not actually see them play again anywhere.

They might also have some trouble explaining why they played a closed door friendly last night when they don't actually have an SFA licence to play - see HERE (http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/leaguedivision3/4435176/Rangers-2-Airdrie-Utd-1.html#comment-rig) for details

[Angusjim]

Fans of other clubs can gloat all they want but deep down they all know that we will return and return stronger, always easy to kick someone or something when they are down but this will not be forgiven.

People will lose jobs and not only at Ibrox, there are people who were at Ibrox who have to take the lions share of the blame but the SFA/SPL and associaties are also to blame for this fiasco.

WATP
I cannot recall statements of outrage from Rangers fans about the treatment of Livingston, Airdrie, Dundee & Gretna, but like I have said before the Old Firm cared nothing about the rest of Scottish football. So why do you expect any sympathy from anyone for CHEATING, and I say this after my little old club actually voted for you to go into Div 1 and they are a disgrace for doing that.

[junglejim]

WATP??? WTF does that mean Bear ? "We're away to Peterhead?"
The only thing that's happened to you so far is a result of your own lying, cheating and supremacist attitude .
You won't be playing anywhere as things stand today and it'll be well beyond my lifetime before you get anywhere significant.
As for- we won't be forgiven?? "We" in terms of Scottish football have done nothing that you can forgive us for except apply the rules !
In the next week you will find out what punishment is for your misdeeds - I for one have had a lifetime of crap from knuckledraggers and will be doing a merry dance when the sentences come home to roost .
YNWTP !

[BobMac]

Apparently Green's visit to EUFA is to answer questions about several million pounds worth of unpaid transfer fees to clubs on the continent

[seanocelt]

Is this "bear" guy MJ Bamford re-incarnated/ new ID ?

[junglejim]

Is this "bear" guy MJ Bamford re-incarnated/ new ID ?
No , this one uses commas and paragraphs so must be a clever bear that doesn't do humility!

[crowthornebear]

WATP??? WTF does that mean Bear ? "We're away to Peterhead?"
The only thing that's happened to you so far is a result of your own lying, cheating and supremacist attitude .
You won't be playing anywhere as things stand today and it'll be well beyond my lifetime before you get anywhere significant.
As for- we won't be forgiven?? "We" in terms of Scottish football have done nothing that you can forgive us for except apply the rules !
In the next week you will find out what punishment is for your misdeeds - I for one have had a lifetime of crap from knuckledraggers and will be doing a merry dance when the sentences come home to roost .YNWTP !

Cyber hardmen in every forum so not a surprise there on here too. Knuckledraggers is funny compared to the things that the taigs have been up too. Molestation and abuse of children, Supporting Terrorism and Cheating the Tax man through the years, I am sure that you have heard of 'the biscuit tin and Malley's gate, (thats one of the reasons Rangers are in trouble), yet no punishment!!!!

There are many clubs who have not exactly stuck by the rules, BTW Rangers have not actually broken any rules as far as Taxation is concerned. Other clubs who have gone into administration have not been harrassed as much as Rangers have, wonder why that is, small club jealousy and a hidden agenda by some.

Anyway the club has taken their punishment but everyone still moaning, We will enjoy the SPL clubs suffering the same fate as us in the future. Div 3 will be full of the current SPL clubs in the next couple of years.

WATP and never forget that

[junglejim]

Time to educate you again , we always know when you are beat because you bring up the same subject again.
Calling us taigs is an offence , expect a tap on the shoulder - you are 8 months behind the curve with your inane comments !
With-holding Tax & NI and using it to support a business is a criminal offence - wait and see over next few weeks who has broken laws !
Here for your education!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x_59EjZOs

When you're finished crawl back under you stone on FF or Vanguard Bear forums - your vile comments won't last long on here !
Just checked - Crowthorne is where Broadmoor Psychiatric Unit is - that might explain a lot - your therapy obviously isn't working!
Time for a new care plan - are you Dingwall in disguise?

[seanocelt]

Cyber hardmen in every forum so not a surprise there on here too. Knuckledraggers is funny compared to the things that the taigs have been up too. Molestation and abuse of children, Supporting Terrorism and Cheating the Tax man through the years, I am sure that you have heard of 'the biscuit tin and Malley's gate, (thats one of the reasons Rangers are in trouble), yet no punishment!!!!

There are many clubs who have not exactly stuck by the rules, BTW Rangers have not actually broken any rules as far as Taxation is concerned. Other clubs who have gone into administration have not been harrassed as much as Rangers have, wonder why that is, small club jealousy and a hidden agenda by some.

Anyway the club has taken their punishment but everyone still moaning, We will enjoy the SPL clubs suffering the same fate as us in the future. Div 3 will be full of the current SPL clubs in the next couple of years.

WATP and never forget that

Taigs (sic) is bigoted and obsolete. Punishment? No, you went bust, punishment for EBTs, non payment of taxes and more, not done yet. My God, you really are in the dark ages pal, many Rangers fans i know would disown you. Shug, if you are reading, stand up and be counted, this aint banter, its a nutcase.

[BobMac]

Cyber hardmen in every forum so not a surprise there on here too. Knuckledraggers is funny compared to the things that the taigs have been up too. Molestation and abuse of children, Supporting Terrorism and Cheating the Tax man through the years, I am sure that you have heard of 'the biscuit tin and Malley's gate, (thats one of the reasons Rangers are in trouble), yet no punishment!!!!

There are many clubs who have not exactly stuck by the rules, BTW Rangers have not actually broken any rules as far as Taxation is concerned. Other clubs who have gone into administration have not been harrassed as much as Rangers have, wonder why that is, small club jealousy and a hidden agenda by some.

Anyway the club has taken their punishment but everyone still moaning, We will enjoy the SPL clubs suffering the same fate as us in the future. Div 3 will be full of the current SPL clubs in the next couple of years.

WATP and never forget that

What planet have you come from.

They haven't broken any rules ??

It's a criminal offence to deduct NI and Tax from a persons pay and NOT pass it on to HMRC, hence the OS bill for £124 million pounds owed to HMRC.

If they hadn't been liquidated, somebody would have been given a lengthy holiday at her majesty's pleasure for allowing that to happen.

As for taking their punishment, that's why they still don't have their licence allowing them to play - they are still trying to strongarm the SFA into not applying any sanctions on the licence agreement.

[CaribeCelt]

Cyber hardmen in every forum so not a surprise there on here too. Knuckledraggers is funny compared to the things that the taigs have been up too. Molestation and abuse of children, Supporting Terrorism and Cheating the Tax man through the years, I am sure that you have heard of 'the biscuit tin and Malley's gate, (thats one of the reasons Rangers are in trouble), yet no punishment!!!!

There are many clubs who have not exactly stuck by the rules, BTW Rangers have not actually broken any rules as far as Taxation is concerned. Other clubs who have gone into administration have not been harrassed as much as Rangers have, wonder why that is, small club jealousy and a hidden agenda by some.

Anyway the club has taken their punishment but everyone still moaning, We will enjoy the SPL clubs suffering the same fate as us in the future. Div 3 will be full of the current SPL clubs in the next couple of years.

WATP and never forget that

What a fully blown nutter you must be....the days of "you being the people" are long gone.
There has been a few Gers men on here and they have been sound but your a real scumbag to be honest....and who is supporting terrorism?? are you talking about your own crowd who regulary make jaunts to the cess-pits of the loyalist parmilitaries in Belfast to adore sectarian murderers and racketeers??Remember this you header,no more second class citizenship for the Irish in Glasgow or anywhere else for that matter.

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http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-60392750.html

[boredinscotland]

back in the dark ages that guy,,,, Im a Rangers fan and will be til I die, we broke all the rules and along with laws and have to be punished, sure Scottish football will suffer along with people losing jobs,,,,, what do you expect? Scottish football will be in meltdown soon caused by total mis-managment of our club, and people should be jailed for this

[crowthornebear]

Wow seem to have upset the good people on here, I thought I was entering a discussion on the demise of a football club, which I thought would generally be fans of that club having the discussion, but NO as usual its the I hate them more than I love my own club brigade.

Rangers fans do sing bigoted songs and some glorify Unionist paramilitaries I agree but what I was actually saying was that SEPTIC FC actually allow republican organisations, groups and individuals to use their facilities.

Filter off the forum and head back to Fairyvale street and allow fans of all clubs to have civilised and well thought conversations.

WATP

[TheBloke]

You are no longer the people.

[seanocelt]

Wow seem to have upset the good people on here, I thought I was entering a discussion on the demise of a football club, which I thought would generally be fans of that club having the discussion, but NO as usual its the I hate them more than I love my own club brigade.

Rangers fans do sing bigoted songs and some glorify Unionist paramilitaries I agree but what I was actually saying was that SEPTIC FC actually allow republican organisations, groups and individuals to use their facilities.

Filter off the forum and head back to Fairyvale street and allow fans of all clubs to have civilised and well thought conversations.

WATP

We aint fooled, you setout to upset /stir, but it will not bring the good people on this forum down. As The Bloke said, you no longer are the people. Actually you never were in anyone's head but your own. And now, you simple canae hack it. Demoted for cheating and going bust, punishment to follow, follow,- for the other crimes. And good luck to Rangers (ex) FOOTBALL FANS, who just like the game, you are the ones to suffer the most from this .

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back in the dark ages that guy,,,, Im a Rangers fan and will be til I die, we broke all the rules and along with laws and have to be punished, sure Scottish football will suffer along with people losing jobs,,,,, what do you expect? Scottish football will be in meltdown soon caused by total mis-managment of our club, and people should be jailed for this

You are spot on; should be jailed, will not be jailed, will go on and cheat in commerce somewhere else.

[junglejim]

AJ - in the big time now !! £16 for a ticket and ALBA TV , game moved to Sunday 29th - vying for TV position with the Camanachd Cup Shinty games .
I just hope Trigger's Broom manage to get a licence to play football or you'll have to look out your camans to have a game of Shinty - that might be too Oirish for Sevco Marauders, so lock up yer Bridies!

[crowthornebear]

AJ - in the big time now !! £16 for a ticket and ALBA TV , game moved to Sunday 29th - vying for TV position with the Camanachd Cup Shinty games .
I just hope Trigger's Broom manage to get a licence to play football or you'll have to look out your camans to have a game of Shinty - that might be too Oirish for Sevco Marauders, so lock up yer Bridies!

We are and will always be THE PEOPLE, it says so in the Bible for goodness sake.

Pathetic attempt to have a go IMHO pointing out the obvious with regards to ticket prices etc, water off a ducks back I am afraid. Would be happy watching The Rangers in any form than any other club.

'Rather Die with Our History than Live with Yours'

Remember Glasgow Celtic - Irelands Shame - Scotlands Burden

WATP

[timmylish]

The archetypical hun.
Just in case he thinks I,m out of order calling him that I would suggest a quick look at this:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archetype
and to anyone who does not know or understand the history of this thread just slowly read the most offensive stuff this guy has written on a public Forum, from far away Berks.

[junglejim]

Broadmoor Bear you really are"Berking" mad- you'll have to get off these SevcoMedia sites and smell the coffee!
Your history includes
Sectarianism (Exclusion on religious & Ethnic grounds)
Rioting (Manchester, Barcelona,and many others)
Supporters Murdering Children (Jason Campbell)
Supporters in Jail for assaulting a manager (Who just happens to be a Catholic)
Supporters in jail for sending offensive emails, texts, painting of streets
Supporters in Jail for sending Bombs to Managers, QC's, MSP
Club Officials under investigation for financial irregularities and possible tax evasion
A Club that is to be Liquidated
A Club that owes £135m to Taxpayers, more than 240 creditors , the paperboy, the face painter ...
A Club that may be allowed to play in the 3rd Division subect to a licence
A Club that are about to have titles stripped for cheating
A Club that buys players but doesn't pay for them
A Club that has made this my best close season ever for entertainment ....
THE BIG HOOSE MUST STAY OPEN!!
Have to laugh at your quote of Bible Psalms 95:7 "We are the people"
Here's anther one from Revelations Chapter 6 - read it and weep!
6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

[Angusjim]

Broadmoor Bear you really are"Berking" mad- you'll have to get off these SevcoMedia sites and smell the coffee!
Your history includes
Sectarianism (Exclusion on religious & Ethnic grounds)
Rioting (Manchester, Barcelona,and many others)
Supporters Murdering Children (Jason Campbell)
Supporters in Jail for assaulting a manager (Who just happens to be a Catholic)
Supporters in jail for sending offensive emails, texts, painting of streets
Supporters in Jail for sending Bombs to Managers, QC's, MSP
Club Officials under investigation for financial irregularities and possible tax evasion
A Club that is to be Liquidated
A Club that owes £135m to Taxpayers, more than 240 creditors , the paperboy, the face painter ...
A Club that may be allowed to play in the 3rd Division subect to a licence
A Club that are about to have titles stripped for cheating
A Club that buys players but doesn't pay for them
A Club that has made this my best close season ever for entertainment ....
THE BIG HOOSE MUST STAY OPEN!!
Have to laugh at your quote of Bible Psalms 95:7 "We are the people"
Here's anther one from Revelations Chapter 6 - read it and weep!
6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

You hae far too much time on your hands :wow:

[seanocelt]

Well Mr Bear, you asked for that, get him telt J.J.! (the back horse was in fact a wee **** in a wheelchair, oot to fleece his flock).

[Angusjim]

"The Ramsdens Cup-tie against Rangers is now set to take place on Sunday 29th July with a 3.05pm kick-off.
The game has been rescheduled to accommodate a live TV broadcast from BBC Alba"

Above from Brechin City Website every cloud and all that:c2:

[seanocelt]

Oh God, AngusJim makes TV debut. He better get oot and buy a new semit.

[Angusjim]

Oh God, AngusJim makes TV debut. He better get oot and buy a new semit.

Think I have a face best suited to radio but I think a new semit is definatetly called for, but you obviously missed my drunken interview a few years ago after a Scotland game from a pub in Farfar

[Harmonicaman]

"The Ramsdens Cup-tie against Rangers is now set to take place on Sunday 29th July with a 3.05pm kick-off.
The game has been rescheduled to accommodate a live TV broadcast from BBC Alba"

Above from Brechin City Website every cloud and all that:c2:

Any idea how I add BBC Alba to my Sky "Other Channels" AJ? I'd need the Frequency, Polarisation, Symbol Rate and FEC. Anybody...it would be much appreciated.

[Angusjim]

Any idea how I add BBC Alba to my Sky "Other Channels" AJ? I'd need the Frequency, Polarisation, Symbol Rate and FEC. Anybody...it would be much appreciated.

I think you will find Alba is just a standard channel on Sky I will get number tonight

[Harmonicaman]

I think you will find Alba is just a standard channel on Sky I will get number tonight

It's OK AJ, I've added it. If it helps anybody it's as follows:
Frequency: 10.818
Polarisation: V
Symbol Rate: 22000
FEC: 5/6


Edit: You're right AJ! It's channel 168! Thanks pal.

[junglejim]

Any idea how I add BBC Alba to my Sky "Other Channels" AJ? I'd need the Frequency, Polarisation, Symbol Rate and FEC. Anybody...it would be much appreciated.
"Ochone , Ochone ! It'll never do! " as Angus Og would say !

[Angusjim]

"Ochone , Ochone ! It'll never do! " as Angus Og would say !

Heres a flavour of Alba TV an off shoot of The Outer Hebrides Broadcasting Company http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqOQAl_MrcM :c2:

[junglejim]

Here's some more cultural background for the Hordes to bone up on !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOj3Kj_74c

[seanocelt]

Harmonicaman, a few local games for you to see Newco in the flesh comin up?

[Harmonicaman]

First game is Ramsden Cup match V the Mighty Brechin City! Away the City! It's a dawdle! Man, ah cannae wait to see some of the minnows maybe getting a win or two...

[Harmonicaman]

Sevco Scotland Ltd. are accepting the transfer embargo which will run from 1 Sept 2012 to 31 August 2013. SPL are still wanting more sanctions though...BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18929983)

[junglejim]

They are going to get into bother with the wording - they should just nominate the winter and summer transfer windows of 2013 then there will be no dubiety about dates !
The problem is SFA are applying "conditions" for Transfer of Membership and now running roughshod over their newly introduced Disciplinary and Appeals system so totally undermining it !
The tail is wagging the dog again, but I do believe the SPL want more sanctions than SFA are prepared to administer - a lot more pro Trigger's Broom Media Spin to come this week!
If they want to give the impression of being a "Continuity Club" then they are in danger of appearing to HMRC & BDO as a Phoenix Company and expose themselves to the old debts!
Be careful what you wish for!

[seanocelt]

They are clinging on. The are clingons! Its life (Jungle)Jim , but not as they knew it.

[Harmonicaman]

McCoist "defiant" that titles should not be stripped from club...BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18938991)

[AL JAY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ugVw4xhvbU

[timmylish]

McCoist "defiant" that titles should not be stripped from club...BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18938991)

I am really tiring of all these statements coming from wee fat Sally (who used to be a great guy when I knew him very well as a player with the huns) and others showing or giving out "physical" undertones. A large enough amount of their supporters are daft enough to construe thoughts of fighting on the streets of Glasgow, and elsewhere, without officials of this former club encouraging them by making such statements.

[junglejim]

The Blue Knight Rises! Kennedy's back (again) he's come back more times than Shug!
But - according to Charlie and the Bhoys nobody will own more than 10% of Trigger's Broom?(Until he smells the money!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18958015

OOPS - Friendly is off! Bang goes their 10% cut!
quote
"The Stefan Winiarski Testimonial Match between Kelty Hearts and Rangers on Wednesday has been postponed to a later date due to the SFA not granting Rangers a licence to play any matches, friendlies or competitive.

Rangers have instructed us that an alternative date will be arranged very soon so all tickets and hospitality tickets are still valid for the match.

We are all gutted with all the work done sending tickets out etc, money spent and time put in by volunteers to make the night a great one, as you can imagine Stefan is also sick at this outcome.

Programmes have been printed, food ordered, marquee for hospitality etc. so a thanks must go to the SFA for having a negative impact on not only the top end of Scottish Football but the lower end also. "

[Harmonicaman]

EBTs still the sticking pont to new clubs membership. SPL want a few questions answered...
STV News (http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/112438-talks-continue-over-rangers-sfa-membership-with-spl-issue-remaining/)

[TOTO 99]

Sorry guys, can you help me out here?

Are this team allowed to be called "Rangers"? I thought Rangers went bust.

Every news story and headline uses the name Rangers. If they aren't called that then why are they reported under that name? I know it's obvious who they mean but you'd think the media would have to use the correct title.

I'm not being pedantic or clever here, I genuinely want to know. Thanks.