We have booked Christmas in Tenerife and my son can't come.

[minimadmandy]

I booked flights to Tenerife ages ago for this Christmas for myself, hubby, son and daughter. In the meantime after 18 months of searching my son found himself a job which fits in with his Engineering course. He informed them of his existing holiday booking and they said staff are not allowed to take any holiday in December of January as its in retail and their busiest time.

So apart from loosing the £400 for his flight it means my family will be apart at Christmas. My son suggested maybe we could move the flight until after Christmas Day (we are due to fly on 21st), but I would have to pay £300 more to do this plus extra flight costs as the prices have gone up.

So this will be the first Christmas when we are not together as we have decided to go anyway. He will spend Christmas day with Aunties/Uncles/Nans/Grandads/cousins. He will be working Christmas Day and Boxing day so we would have only seen him on Christmas Day itself. So why has the guilt started to creep in and nag me every time I think about it?

Certain Friends have suggested that I am a bad mother for abandoning my son (he is 18!). Also his sister (11) keeps telling me how much she will miss him despite the fact that they usually fight all the time! :fencing:

Wondered if anyone has been in a similar situation before?

[Malteser Monkey]

Well I haven't spent Xmas with my family in over 20 years due to living in Tenerife and now Wales. We have just gotten used to it !

It's always too expensive to travel anywhere around that time. We think of it as "it's just 2 days" - I would rather spend a week or more together

If it wasn't for all the hype it really would just be another day.

Why don't you have it before or after as you will be abroad and it def isn't the same in Tenerife as it here (sorry but typical Brit Xmas is in the cold) I never felt like Xmas in Tenerife -


Santa hats and budgie smugglers just wasn't the right look !:laugh:

So don't feel guilty at all - it doesn't make any difference to how you love your family does it .....ahhh I'm fillin' up now:cry:

[TOTO 99]

Your friends are right...you are a cruel mother...:laugh:

If he's anything like my eldest son he won't be the least bit lonely.

He'll have no problem filling his spare time.....He'll also have no problem filling your house up with his mates...

I'll keep an eye out for the invitations going viral on facebook..:laugh:

[Addick]

I work in retail too and can appreciate that it is busy but we are fortunately able to book time off on a first-come-first-served basis. Although I don't usually work Boxing Day I'll be in New Years Day as usual, at about 5am, just as most revellers are staggering home.:drunks2:


Getting any job at the moment is an achievement so I'd say put aside some time when you return in the New Year to have a get together, and make the most of the Christmases with your daughter before she does the same too!

[Malteser Monkey]

Getting any job at the moment is an achievement so I'd say put aside some time when you return in the New Year to have a get together, and make the most of the Christmases with your daughter before she does the same too!

Ahhhh such wise nice words seriously

[chifleta]

Well I haven't spent Xmas with my family in over 20 years due to living in Tenerife and now Wales. We have just gotten used to it !

It's always too expensive to travel anywhere around that time. We think of it as "it's just 2 days" - I would rather spend a week or more together

If it wasn't for all the hype it really would just be another day.

Why don't you have it before or after as you will be abroad and it def isn't the same in Tenerife as it here (sorry but typical Brit Xmas is in the cold) I never felt like Xmas in Tenerife -


Santa hats and budgie smugglers just wasn't the right look !:laugh:

So don't feel guilty at all - it doesn't make any difference to how you love your family does it .....ahhh I'm fillin' up now:cry:


You're so right, i've lived here 20 years plus and still prefer Xmas in England LOL ... the only reason why we feel partially Christmassy here is because my father-in-laws birthday is on Xmas Eve and we normally go to the North to celebrate with a big family party, copious amounts of yummy Canarian food and also father in law dresses up as Santa (ironically his name is Jesús hahaha) and gives out pressies to all the grandchildren and (as previously organised) to the neighbours children as well .... mind you, they're all growing up and there are only about 5 of them young enough to still not realise that their granddad is in actual fact "papa noel" hahaha

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Don't worry so much, as long as he gets a nice pressie before or after your hols, and fed by the family whilst you're away, he probably won't care too much ....

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..He'll also have no problem filling your house up with his mates...



shhhhh don't scare the poor woman .......

<<<< looking around guiltily remembering when my mum went to Newcastle with her fiance many many many many many moons ago (me and brother were 17 and 18 years old) and left us on our own, and we sort of said to our mates down the pub, come up to ours when pub shuts... and word got round, and there wasn't even facebook in those day, our local village grapevine (big gobs) was so much more effective... we had to call the police coz the whole pub crashed our house LOL... they didn't trash it though thank goodness .....

oh dear, OP is going to have heart failure now :laugh:

[Malteser Monkey]

You're so right,

I only post when I'm sure I am.......:laugh::laugh:

Yes and then there's dia de los Reyes which totally throws you (if you're a Brit)

I always found the best fiesta was mi cumpleaño....opps sorry not that again I mean Fin de Año 31/12 - it was like birthdays, xmas all rolled into one !:cheeky:

[honda]

I was married at 18. Sure he will be ok, don't worry.

[TOTO 99]

I'm sure it'll be fine...:laugh:

5050

[Malteser Monkey]

see you too can have a house like Toto

You wanna have a word with your missus:cheeky:

[tracy hampshire]

have a christmas day before you come away,then come over enjoy your holiday, make a fuss of your daughter so she won t miss her brother too much, at 18 i m sure your son will have a whale of a time & will have new workmates to celebrate with, i haven t spent christmas with my family in the uk for 4 years, & hubby is muslim so have to consantly remind him that there even is a christmas, have to remind him so i don t have to kill him when he forgets my prezzie , he still enjoys his christmas dinner though x

[irishmusico]

He has got himself a Job.Well done him.
You are in Tenerife for the holidays.Well done you.

Have a party before you go,wind him up by phone when you get here and have another one when you get back. :)

Things change sometimes before you want them to,but he got a job. this is a good thing. Its all positive,so stop kicking yourself in the head and look forward to it.He will be able to afford his own holidays real soon.:)

[minimadmandy]

Well I haven't spent Xmas with my family in over 20 years due to living in Tenerife and now Wales. We have just gotten used to it !

It's always too expensive to travel anywhere around that time. We think of it as "it's just 2 days" - I would rather spend a week or more together

If it wasn't for all the hype it really would just be another day.

Why don't you have it before or after as you will be abroad and it def isn't the same in Tenerife as it here (sorry but typical Brit Xmas is in the cold) I never felt like Xmas in Tenerife -


Santa hats and budgie smugglers just wasn't the right look !:laugh:

So don't feel guilty at all - it doesn't make any difference to how you love your family does it .....ahhh I'm fillin' up now:cry:

We've all spent the last two Christmas's in Tenerife and not being particularly religious found it suited up because we got away from all the over indulgence and hype. I know he probably won't be bothered but a bit weird getting used to not having him with us on holiday. We left him behind at Easter and it felt a bit weird. Taking him away with us from 3 months old so it feels like something is missing!

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Your friends are right...you are a cruel mother...:laugh:

If he's anything like my eldest son he won't be the least bit lonely.

He'll have no problem filling his spare time.....He'll also have no problem filling your house up with his mates...

I'll keep an eye out for the invitations going viral on facebook..:laugh:
Hate to admit it but my sons a bit boring, he doesn't even drink despite our attempts to tempt him. On his 18th birthday he had half a pint. Hubby can't believe he's his son sometimes!!

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He has got himself a Job.Well done him.
You are in Tenerife for the holidays.Well done you.

Happy a party before you go,wind him up by phone when you get here and have another one when you get back. :)

Things change sometimes before you want them to,but he got a job. this is a good thing. Its all positive,so stop kicking yourself in the head and look forward to it.He will be able to afford his own holidays real soon.:)

Very proud of the fact that he has got a job which he does alongside all his college work, I've even suggested next year he goes on his own holiday but the guilt about Christmas is more to do with the fact he actually WANTS to come with us this time, previously he didn't!! Typical teenager (I'm sure he's saying that to make me feel worse of to get a bigger Christmas present!

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Luckily he won't have any time for parties i have just found out he has volunteered to work every day he can from Christmas until after new year. He worked out he's going to get paid quite a bit, so I think he really is glad he's staying!
It's also my birthday while we are in Tenerife so hopefully I might get a nice pressie when I get back!

[carpdaught1]

the first xmas we spent here my 5 and my 11 grandkids moaned so the nxt year we flew back on xmas eve [already shopped on line best mate put it all away] and suprised them all one by one now they have got used to not knowing what we doing but this year they know we home all gathering at our house boxing day they do like us at home as we always go in the new year as they have xmas again just for us the grandkids love it so do their parents oh and by the way i cried my first xmas away from them two of my sons were in the army so u get used to it enjoy yourselfs and have a second xmas when you go home decs tree and everything bugger what anyone thinks x

[Esskay]

Hate to admit it but my sons a bit boring, he doesn't even drink despite our attempts to tempt him. On his 18th birthday he had half a pint. Hubby can't believe he's his son sometimes!!



I hope he doesn't read this forum :(

Everyone's different. I don't drink at all, I stopped in my mid-20's about 20 years ago when I got fedup of it. Plus my job involved driving and I often drove whilst hungover. I'm also completely anti-social and very shy. I hate any kind of party or other social thing. I don't consider myself boring though, and my wife and kids seem happy with me. :spin:

I'm sure your son isn't actually boring ...

[TOTO 99]

God this gets worse...

Not only are you dumping him off at Chrimbo, you also try to force him to drink against his will...:laugh:

[Malteser Monkey]

God this gets worse...

Not only are you dumping him off at Chrimbo, you also try to force him to drink against his will...:laugh:

Terrible I agree:laugh:

[minimadmandy]

I hope he doesn't read this forum :(

Everyone's different. I don't drink at all, I stopped in my mid-20's about 20 years ago when I got fedup of it. Plus my job involved driving and I often drove whilst hungover. I'm also completely anti-social and very shy. I hate any kind of party or other social thing. I don't consider myself boring though, and my wife and kids seem happy with me. :spin:

I'm sure your son isn't actually boring ...
No you're right that sounded a bit cruel! He has Aspergers so finds socialising quite difficult so doesn't have a lot of friends, but seems to be coping really well with having a job and having to deal with awkward customers, so hoping that helps his confidence a bit. Work seems pleased with him as they let him open up the place last week on his own. No he doesn't read this forum (he'd find the whole thing boring)!

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Terrible I agree:laugh:

I know I'm a disgraceful mother. All my friends think I'm great for managing to produce a teenager that DOESN'T drink. Which is kind of rare these days. Quite glad he doesn't but thought having some might prepare him in some way for that day when someone is going to take him out and get him totally plastered, it might as well be me as I will have to deal with the results anyway!

[TOTO 99]

Make the best of it. I wish my son didn't drink. He'd be loaded and I'd save a packet..lol

These days they think nothing of getting through £100 on a Saturday night..

I am an olympic drinker but my older brother, who's been a driving instructor for about 100 years, doesn't touch a drop. It's not for everyone and it's not necessarily cool, although it's nice to be sociable.

[irishmusico]

Have you considered the possibility that he is pulling the wool over your eyes and as soon as he tearfully waves you off,his friends have organised a keg of beer and strippers to come to the house for Christmas. ;)

[Esskay]

I certainly wouldn't call you a bad parent. The people I call bad parents are the ones who stand outside the maternity unit where my wife works, waiting to give birth, in their dressing gowns, having a cigarette. :mad:

Nothing wrong with leaving him at home - it'll probably do him good, a bit of independence and a change of routine.

My wife is a nurse and is working all day (7am till 9.45pm) Christmas Day this year .. it's just life and these things crop up.

(I can't wait till our two are 18 so we can go to tenerife without them, for less than half what we paid for this year's holiday!) :laugh:

[soarey]

I understand where you are coming from as our Son also has Aspergers.Hes 22 now and like you have left him HOME ALONE as you say.Its amazing how they do adapt and grow in confidence .It does hurt at the time but hes probably glad in a way that you trust him on his own and he has his own space for a while.We kept in contact via Ipad and skype which he wanted.After the 1st trip away he was more comfortable with us going.All i can say is go away enjoy yourselves try not to worry but he will be fine.If you want to talk about anything regarding Aspergers please feel free to PM me.

[Malteser Monkey]

I understand where you are coming from as our Son also has Aspergers.Hes 22 now and like you have left him HOME ALONE as you say.Its amazing how they do adapt and grow in confidence .It does hurt at the time but hes probably glad in a way that you trust him on his own and he has his own space for a while.We kept in contact via Ipad and skype which he wanted.After the 1st trip away he was more comfortable with us going.All i can say is go away enjoy yourselves try not to worry but he will be fine.If you want to talk about anything regarding Aspergers please feel free to PM me.

I can't see where she mentions Aspergers ? sorry

[Fivepence]

Well I haven't spent Xmas with my family in over 20 years due to living in Tenerife and now Wales. We have just gotten used to it !

It's always too expensive to travel anywhere around that time. We think of it as "it's just 2 days" - I would rather spend a week or more together

If it wasn't for all the hype it really would just be another day.

Why don't you have it before or after as you will be abroad and it def isn't the same in Tenerife as it here (sorry but typical Brit Xmas is in the cold) I never felt like Xmas in Tenerife -


Santa hats and budgie smugglers just wasn't the right look !:laugh:

So don't feel guilty at all - it doesn't make any difference to how you love your family does it .....ahhh I'm fillin' up now:cry:

Reminds me of 'Royal Family'..........."You're a good mother Denise" :laugh:

[soarey]

I can't see where she mentions Aspergers ? sorry

Read it properly.Top line says her son has Aspergers.

[Malteser Monkey]

No you're right that sounded a bit cruel! He has Aspergers so finds socialising quite difficult so doesn't have a lot of friends, but seems to be coping really well with having a job and having to deal with awkward customers, so hoping that helps his confidence a bit. Work seems pleased with him as they let him open up the place last week on his own. No he doesn't read this forum (he'd find the whole thing boring)!

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Sorry I thought you were saying that minimnady's son has Aspergers - so easy to misunderstand on here........as you said "I understand where you are coming from as our Son also has Aspergers"

Where quote it for me please - I must need new glasses

ok I searched that word - I thought you meant her very first post

Right sorry for the upset all sorted !

[TOTO 99]

Sorry I thought you were saying that minimnady's son has Aspergers - so easy to misunderstand on here........as you said "I understand where you are coming from as our Son also has Aspergers"

Where quote it for me please - I must need new glasses

ok I searched that word - I thought you meant her very first post

Right sorry for the upset all sorted !

Lol...what's happening now?

Soarey didn't say what you've quoted him as saying. That was Mandy's post..lol

The Syrians are intrefering with us again..:laugh:

[Malteser Monkey]

Lol...what's happening now?

Soarey didn't say what you've quoted him as saying. That was Mandy's post..lol

The Syrians are intrefering with us again..:laugh:

Did so :neener: post 22 that's where I got the quote in inverted commas from i cut and pasted it - don't you flippin' start :laugh:

[TOTO 99]

Did so :neener: post 22 that's where I got the quote in inverted commas from i cut and pasted it - don't you flippin' start :laugh:

What?...:confused:

Check again...post 22 is by Soarey....... So far so good....but the words in your quote box aren't the words from post 22..lol...:fryingpan:

[Malteser Monkey]

What?...:confused:

Check again...post 22 is by Soarey....... So far so good....but the words in your quote box aren't the words from post 22..lol...:fryingpan:


I'm on about what's in the inverted commas look at my post 26 not the quote box durrrr as I put in post28 - inverted commas """""""":laugh:

[TOTO 99]

I'm on about what's in the inverted commas look at my post 26 not the quote box durrrr as I put in post28 - inverted commas """""""":laugh:

I agree...I really do. You haven't done anything wrong. The machine has put Mandy's words in the box but it says that Soarey said them....hence my Syrian hacker comment...can you see it now?

[Malteser Monkey]

I agree...I really do. You haven't done anything wrong. The machine has put Mandy's words in the box but it says that Soarey said them....hence my Syrian hacker comment...can you see it now?


Soarey did say them in post 22 mandy's words are totally different - honestly toto
ok here this is minimandys post 18


No you're right that sounded a bit cruel! He has Aspergers so finds socialising quite difficult so doesn't have a lot of friends, but seems to be coping really well with having a job and having to deal with awkward customers, so hoping that helps his confidence a bit. Work seems pleased with him as they let him open up the place last week on his own. No he doesn't read this forum (he'd find the whole thing boring)!


and here is soarey's post 22


I understand where you are coming from as our Son also has Aspergers.Hes 22 now and like you have left him HOME ALONE as you say.Its amazing how they do adapt and grow in confidence .It does hurt at the time but hes probably glad in a way that you trust him on his own and he has his own space for a while.We kept in contact via Ipad and skype which he wanted.After the 1st trip away he was more comfortable with us going.All i can say is go away enjoy yourselves try not to worry but he will be fine.If you want to talk about anything regarding Aspergers please feel free to PM me.


I need a large brandy now

[TOTO 99]

Soarey did say them in post 22 mandy's words are totally different - honestly toto
ok here this is minimandys post 18


No you're right that sounded a bit cruel! He has Aspergers so finds socialising quite difficult so doesn't have a lot of friends, but seems to be coping really well with having a job and having to deal with awkward customers, so hoping that helps his confidence a bit. Work seems pleased with him as they let him open up the place last week on his own. No he doesn't read this forum (he'd find the whole thing boring)!


and here is soarey's post 22


I understand where you are coming from as our Son also has Aspergers.Hes 22 now and like you have left him HOME ALONE as you say.Its amazing how they do adapt and grow in confidence .It does hurt at the time but hes probably glad in a way that you trust him on his own and he has his own space for a while.We kept in contact via Ipad and skype which he wanted.After the 1st trip away he was more comfortable with us going.All i can say is go away enjoy yourselves try not to worry but he will be fine.If you want to talk about anything regarding Aspergers please feel free to PM me.


I need a large brandy now

Still correct.....we agree on that bit....BUT..

if you look at your post.....right

before anything you've typed...right

there's a big blue box with words in it...right

the words are Mandy's from post 18....right

But the name on the big blue box is...wait for it......Soarey.....lol xxxx

[Malteser Monkey]

Still correct.....we agree on that bit....BUT..

if you look at your post.....right

before anything you've typed...right

there's a big blue box with words in it...right

the words are Mandy's from post 18....right

But the name on the big blue box is...wait for it......Soarey.....lol xxxx


Yes I know Ohh for God's sake let's just forget it I have a headache now and both have Aspergers that's all that matters

[Bhamannette]

Although I agree that getting a job is a great achievement at this time, I am a bit surprised that they refused his holiday, in my experience an employer usually asks if you have anything booked already and will accomodate it as a one off.
Anyway, I havent had a Xmas with my husband for years as he goes to Tenerife, he hates being in the UK if he is on holiday and mine and my daughters part time retail jobs banned Xmas holidays. My daughter has now moved to China so its just me, my dog Charlie and a skype call. Not complaining tho Im a bit of a Xmas grinch so I dont have to bother with a tree or turkey, hope you have a great holiday and your son enjoys his new job.

[minimadmandy]

Just emailed Monarch to see if I can move his flight and send him to Spain in July instead. This year We took him to Portaventura the Theme Park there, as a "well done" for passing his exams (2 years before).
As part of his Aspergers, his latest and longest lasting (10 years) obsession is Rollercoasters! He said it was the best holiday he's ever had (6 days solid in the park). Fingers crossed!

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I understand where you are coming from as our Son also has Aspergers.Hes 22 now and like you have left him HOME ALONE as you say.Its amazing how they do adapt and grow in confidence .It does hurt at the time but hes probably glad in a way that you trust him on his own and he has his own space for a while.We kept in contact via Ipad and skype which he wanted.After the 1st trip away he was more comfortable with us going.All i can say is go away enjoy yourselves try not to worry but he will be fine.If you want to talk about anything regarding Aspergers please feel free to PM me.

Thanks, might take you up on that. I don't know anyone else who has experience of this at all.

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Yes I know Ohh for God's sake let's just forget it I have a headache now and both have Aspergers that's all that matters

I'm confused and I wrote the thing!

[TOTO 99]

Although I agree that getting a job is a great achievement at this time, I am a bit surprised that they refused his holiday, in my experience an employer usually asks if you have anything booked already and will accomodate it as a one off.
Anyway, I havent had a Xmas with my husband for years as he goes to Tenerife, he hates being in the UK if he is on holiday and mine and my daughters part time retail jobs banned Xmas holidays. My daughter has now moved to China so its just me, my dog Charlie and a skype call. Not complaining tho Im a bit of a Xmas grinch so I dont have to bother with a tree or turkey, hope you have a great holiday and your son enjoys his new job.

Worst Christmas story ever........

[kathml]

I think if you held a survey you'd be surprised as to how many people can't stand the whole Xmas new year rigmarole

I for one personally find it a very depressing time of the year

[Malteser Monkey]

Worst Christmas story ever........

I'd have my tree up all year round ! Love it

[Addick]

I'd have my tree up all year round ! Love it

You can't have your Birthday every day of the year AND Christmas - that's just greedy!

[Malteser Monkey]

You can't have your Birthday every day of the year AND Christmas - that's just greedy!

I can do what I want - you gonna stop me:box::box::D

[Ecky Thump]

I'd have my tree up all year round ! Love it


You can't have your Birthday every day of the year AND Christmas - that's just greedy!

MM comes from Wales, so she has no idea about the Gregorian Calendar.

She will probably think that Gregorian means greedy.:wink:

[Malteser Monkey]

MM comes from Wales, so she has no idea about the Gregorian Calendar.

She will probably think that Gregorian means greedy.:wink:

What's a calendar:cheeky:

and MM lives in Wales, Comes from Dawn Sarf iniit

[chifleta]

I hope he doesn't read this forum :(

Everyone's different. I don't drink at all, I stopped in my mid-20's about 20 years ago when I got fedup of it. Plus my job involved driving and I often drove whilst hungover. I'm also completely anti-social and very shy. I hate any kind of party or other social thing. I don't consider myself boring though, and my wife and kids seem happy with me. :spin:

I'm sure your son isn't actually boring ...

I gave up the day after my 23rd birthday, the "never again" thing, and I didn't drink a touch of the old hooch for 6 years... that was 20 years ago too hehe, I occassionally have a tipple 2 or 3 times a year...

My son hardly drinks as he doesn't like the sick feeling and room spinning hahaha.... he definately takes after his father, who is t-total.

That's why I chortle every time I hear about forum meet-ups, as i'm a bit like you, anti-social and prefer to have fun out and about with hubby.

[Ecky Thump]

I gave up the day after my 23rd birthday, the "never again" thing, and I didn't drink a touch of the old hooch for 6 years... that was 20 years ago too hehe, I occassionally have a tipple 2 or 3 times a year...

My son hardly drinks as he doesn't like the sick feeling and room spinning hahaha.... he definately takes after his father, who is t-total.

That's why I chortle every time I hear about forum meet-ups, as i'm a bit like you, anti-social and prefer to have fun out and about with hubby.

I haven't had a drink in six years and enjoy the meet ups even more, as I can remember who said what to who!:laugh:

[chifleta]

I haven't had a drink in six years and enjoy the meet ups even more, as I can remember who said what to who!:laugh:

haha and think back to the drunken years and think to yourself "oh good grief, how bad was I back in the drunkard days" hahaha

[Ecky Thump]

:vodka::vodkamachine::trink::drunk2::wine:
haha and think back to the drunken years and think to yourself "oh good grief, how bad was I back in the drunkard days" hahaha

What days!!.....complete memory loss.:vodka2::vodka::cheers2::drunks2::cheers::vod kamachine::trink::drunk2:

[warbey]

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Perhaps You feel guilty now. From experience, Your Daughter may well rebelat going at 17.. Ours did

Didn't want to Holiday with Dreary Old Mum and Dad, had an interesting Boyfriend...

Times change.. We started on 2-10 Xmas Day then 24 hrs as normal..

I'm not too fussy about Christmas, but a January or February Holiday to look forwards to, really helps.

[marbro8]

minimadmandy is a bad parent and i have informed social services:lol:;) we have spent the last 24 xmas's with my wife's family (a bone of contention with mine:mad:) they only live about a mile away but xmas eve they pull up on the drive all 9 of em:lol:, and now we have another 2 addition:doh: with their quilts and pillows:lol:, they stay for about 5 days i cook xmas dinner and we all chuck in for the rest of the cooking, we stay up most nights playing cards, mostly poker for money:lol:, it is great but i would be lying if if i said it wasn't a bit of a relief when they say "I THINK WE SHOULD GO NOW AND GIVE THEM A LITTLE TIME TO THEMSELVES";)

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I gave up the day after my 23rd birthday, the "never again" thing, and I didn't drink a touch of the old hooch for 6 years... that was 20 years ago too hehe, I occassionally have a tipple 2 or 3 times a year...

My son hardly drinks as he doesn't like the sick feeling and room spinning hahaha.... he definately takes after his father, who is t-total.

That's why I chortle every time I hear about forum meet-ups, as i'm a bit like you, anti-social and prefer to have fun out and about with hubby.i drink that much now that i never get a hangover:lol:, the last time i had my liver emissions done at the hospital they where reading about 500? but i have since spoken to someone that had 5000:lol: i now don't drink on a tuesday wednesday and sunday because the doctor said it was far better than cutting down for the 7 days, mind you that will go out of the window in about 4 weeks:lol: