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Can't get my head round this. Such a shocking thing to happen to this young woman in her home town and in broad daylight. What a broken country we live in!
Thought are with her Family at this tragic time:cry: Its just so awful.
Can't get my head round this. Such a shocking thing to happen to this young woman in her home town and in broad daylight. What a broken country we live in!
Thought are with her Family at this tragic time:cry: Its just so awful.
I agree melm. She was obviously well liked by her constituents. RIP
I agree melm. She was obviously well liked by her constituents. RIP
Me too Melm. Although I didn't know her, it's terrible someone going about their business is struck down in such a manner. What the hell is it all coming to and to hell with this referendum if people appear to be losing their lives through it. I'm saying that as I heard both the Remain and Leave campaigns have been suspended.
languagefan
18-06-2016, 22:36
I knew her in person and couldn't stop shedding tear last few days whenever I remembered her. Batley is one of the most deprived parts of our country and she came from a humble background and made her way all the way to the House of Commons working hard for her people.
I knew her in person and couldn't stop shedding tear last few days whenever I remembered her. Batley is one of the most deprived parts of our country and she came from a humble background and made her way all the way to the House of Commons working hard for her people.
She seemed like such a nice young lady doing what she thought was right. An inspiration to us all.
You were fortunate to have had her in your life. Wonder how that obviously deranged man managed to get a gun?
Red Devil
19-06-2016, 16:22
Me too Melm. Although I didn't know her, it's terrible someone going about their business is struck down in such a manner. What the hell is it all coming to and to hell with this referendum if people appear to be losing their lives through it. I'm saying that as I heard both the Remain and Leave campaigns have been suspended.
She sadly lost her life because of a mentally deranged man that's all.
The speculation in the papers has been disgusting and as for Polly Toynbee from the Guardian trying to capitalise on it politically (the morning after, she must have been up all night preparing her column) well, it says everything you need to know about the woman.
She sadly lost her life because of a mentally deranged man that's all.
The speculation in the papers has been disgusting and as for Polly Toynbee from the Guardian trying to capitalise on it politically (the morning after, she must have been up all night preparing her column) well, it says everything you need to know about the woman.
I disagree completely ... yes, obviously a deranged man, but still functioning and mixing with Neo Nazis and Britain First types ... just like Trump, inciting violence and the less stable will act on such dangerous discourse
Alex Massie puts it so much better than I can .... "So, no, Nigel Farage isn’t responsible for Jo Cox’s murder. And nor is the Leave campaign. But they are responsible for the manner in which they have pressed their argument. They weren’t to know something like this was going to happen, of course, and they will be just as shocked and horrified by it as anyone else.
But, still. Look. When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged. You cannot turn around and say, ‘Mate, you weren’t supposed to take it so seriously. It’s just a game, just a ploy, a strategy for winning votes.’
When you shout BREAKING POINT over and over again, you don’t get to be surprised when someone breaks. When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word. You didn’t make them do it, no, but you didn’t do much to stop it either.
Sometimes rhetoric has consequences. If you spend days, weeks, months, years telling people they are under threat, that their country has been stolen from them, that they have been betrayed and sold down the river, that their birthright has been pilfered, that their problem is they’re too slow to realise any of this is happening, that their problem is they’re not sufficiently mad as hell, then at some point, in some place, something or someone is going to snap. And then something terrible is going to happen"
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/
I could not care less how the ins/outs score their points. Have given up reading all the "facts" and I for one will be so glad when its all over.
It's such a pity that an MP of any party gets assasinated going about their daily business, and in this case she seemed to be a caring young woman with two young children. That is a crime.
Red Devil
19-06-2016, 18:55
I disagree completely ... yes, obviously a deranged man, but still functioning and mixing with Neo Nazis and Britain First types ... just like Trump, inciting violence and the less stable will act on such dangerous discourse
Alex Massie puts it so much better than I can .... "So, no, Nigel Farage isn’t responsible for Jo Cox’s murder. And nor is the Leave campaign. But they are responsible for the manner in which they have pressed their argument. They weren’t to know something like this was going to happen, of course, and they will be just as shocked and horrified by it as anyone else.
But, still. Look. When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged. You cannot turn around and say, ‘Mate, you weren’t supposed to take it so seriously. It’s just a game, just a ploy, a strategy for winning votes.’
When you shout BREAKING POINT over and over again, you don’t get to be surprised when someone breaks. When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word. You didn’t make them do it, no, but you didn’t do much to stop it either.
Sometimes rhetoric has consequences. If you spend days, weeks, months, years telling people they are under threat, that their country has been stolen from them, that they have been betrayed and sold down the river, that their birthright has been pilfered, that their problem is they’re too slow to realise any of this is happening, that their problem is they’re not sufficiently mad as hell, then at some point, in some place, something or someone is going to snap. And then something terrible is going to happen"
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/
From the same paper - my thoughts exactly
COFFEE HOUSE
Can’t we show some decency about Jo Cox’s death?
Douglas Murray
Despite the ‘Leave’ and ‘Remain’ campaigns rightly halting as soon as the news of the savage murder of Jo Cox MP came through, some people could not pass up the opportunity to press what they saw as a political advantage. The campaign for Britain to leave the EU may have been silent, but EU officials were not. A day after the murder the German Chancellor Angela Merkel made a call for all sides in the referendum to respect the opinions of others:
‘Otherwise, the radicalisation will become unstoppable. Exaggerations, and radicalisation of part of the language, do not help foster an atmosphere of respect.’
Was she thinking of European Council President Donald Tusk’s warning, only a few days earlier, that voting ‘Leave’ could be ‘the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also of western political civilisation in its entirety.’ I suspect not. Yet what might one not do if you believed your opponents were poised to destroy civilisation as a whole?
At least Chancellor Merkel left it a few hours. Within minutes of the announcement of Jo Cox’s death the EU Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos Tweeted out:
‘Jo Cox murdered for her dedication to European democracy and humanity. Extremism divides and nourishes hatred.’
[Alt-Text]
In the US it was not an obscure figure, but the person most likely to be the next US President – Hilary Clinton – who sent out a message saying that Jo Cox’s life had been cut short by ‘a violent act of political intolerance.’ I wonder who she was hoping everyone would think of?
All this before we knew anything very much about his motives or mental state. Since then a clearer picture has emerged. It shows a man with a history of mental illness, a loner, who family and others said never had any involvement or interest in politics. Yet there are also now reports of Nazi regalia in his house and of connections to neo-Nazi groups. Information is emerging that the killer may have in the past purchased books (including on how to make explosives) from a South African racist organisation which advocates, among other things, the eradication of the Jewish people.
Yet even before this came out some people were off. At the New Statesman Laurie Penny insisted that ‘We owe it to Jo Cox not to write off her death as an act of affectless terrorism or meaningless.’ This is because the killer appears to have had links to ‘far-right’ groups. And yes, this is the same Laurie Penny who only three days earlier – after the massacre of 49 people in a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida by a gunman shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ – insisted that there were no lessons to be taken from that massacre other than that ‘love wins’. That and the claim that people who politically disagree with her, ‘are pleased about the slaughter of 50 souls in a gay bar.’
Closer to home here at the Spectator Alex Massie didn’t leave many minutes between the murder of Jo Cox and a decision to place blame for the murder on Nigel Farage, a campaign poster and everybody else involved in the ‘Leave’ campaign. Not only did he accuse those on the ‘Leave’ side of not-so-covert racism, he also claimed that there had been a disrespectfulness in their arguments. All this from a writer who 24 hours earlier had been decrying some of his political opponents as ‘mad’ and others of spreading ‘bull****’. Temperance is always what one demonstrates oneself. Intemperance is always other people.
Three other things are worth saying.
The first is this. Obviously, as with any Islamist gunman, it is vital to track down any network of contacts and guides that the killer might have had. What swamps did he swim in? Were there any network that helped supply him with his weapon? Were there any far-right, neo-Nazi or other ideological group that encouraged him to kill an MP? All this must be chased down, and I am sure will be.
Secondly, although Jo Cox is the first MP to be murdered in Britain for more than two decades, tragically she is not the first. Those who were murdered before include Sir Anthony Berry, who lost his life in the Brighton Hotel bombing in 1984. Perhaps in the weeks ahead we may discover a real neo-Nazi network around Jo Cox’s attacker. If we do then I trust the entirety of the British public would be not only surprised, but appalled were any serving MP to invite the MPs killer or colleagues to the House of Commons as their guests. Such events have occurred in the past. And if there are those who now recognise the consequences of legitimating political violence all that can be said is that it is a tragedy that they never recognised them before.
Finally there is the question of the referendum. From what we have already seen, those in favour of ‘Remain’ will find it impossible not to attempt to make political capital from this brutal murder in a campaign that the polls previously showed them losing. Is it too much to ask for some decency? Perhaps. About 50% of the population have one view of our membership of the EU, and about 50% have another view. I can already see the temptation of some ‘Remainers’. They may keep it subtle. They may insist that a vote for ‘Remain’ is a vote for ‘the future’ and ‘Leave’ a vote for ‘the past’. Or they may try to say that a vote to stay in the EU is a vote against ‘hatred’ and for ‘hope’ or the politics of ‘unity’ over those of ‘division’. If they do then they should be aware that they are using the actions of a madman, extremist or terrorist (or all three) as a means to further their own political goals. They would be doing precisely what we try so hard, unanimously and generally successfully to stop Islamist gunmen from being able to do.
Such a move would bring about the triumph of the assassin’s veto in our society – something which could not only have appalling short-term consequences, but bloody long-term ones as well. I trust that those campaigning for ‘Remain’ recognise that a victory achieved on those terms would be the sourest and most divisive victory of all.
essexeddie
20-06-2016, 12:20
This is interesting
https://theholisticworks.com/2016/06/19/the-truth-about-the-late-jo-cox-mp-and-her-husband-brendan/
jeste747
20-06-2016, 12:58
On the other hand if Camoron hadnt let in some many immigrants in the first place and swamping Britains schools, NHS, Doctors, housing and creating this climate of fear and uncertainty in the begining, is nothing to do with the Remain camp either!
I disagree completely ... yes, obviously a deranged man, but still functioning and mixing with Neo Nazis and Britain First types ... just like Trump, inciting violence and the less stable will act on such dangerous discourse
Alex Massie puts it so much better than I can .... "So, no, Nigel Farage isn’t responsible for Jo Cox’s murder. And nor is the Leave campaign. But they are responsible for the manner in which they have pressed their argument. They weren’t to know something like this was going to happen, of course, and they will be just as shocked and horrified by it as anyone else.
But, still. Look. When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged. You cannot turn around and say, ‘Mate, you weren’t supposed to take it so seriously. It’s just a game, just a ploy, a strategy for winning votes.’
When you shout BREAKING POINT over and over again, you don’t get to be surprised when someone breaks. When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word. You didn’t make them do it, no, but you didn’t do much to stop it either.
Sometimes rhetoric has consequences. If you spend days, weeks, months, years telling people they are under threat, that their country has been stolen from them, that they have been betrayed and sold down the river, that their birthright has been pilfered, that their problem is they’re too slow to realise any of this is happening, that their problem is they’re not sufficiently mad as hell, then at some point, in some place, something or someone is going to snap. And then something terrible is going to happen"
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/
essexeddie
20-06-2016, 14:32
On the other hand if Camoron hadnt let in some many immigrants in the first place and swamping Britains schools, NHS, Doctors, housing and creating this climate of fear and uncertainty in the begining, is nothing to do with the Remain camp either!
Unfortunately Cameron or anyone cant control immigration while we are in the EU. Simple fact.
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languagefan
20-06-2016, 21:01
I agree with Doreen.
Jo was assassinated and for political reasons. The killer didn't have a Mental Health diagnosis. All killers have anger issues one way or another! That doesn't make them Mentally deranged. He had a track record of facist tendencies and introduced himself in court with his twisted beliefs.
This is the most honest version of truth that media have revealed about Jo's martyrdom:
https://youtu.be/NGtDF0xHCBs
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/20/jo-cox-killing-thomas-mair-to-face-judge-under-terrorism-protocols
essexeddie
20-06-2016, 22:00
I agree with Doreen.
Jo was assassinated and for political reasons. The killer didn't have a Mental Health diagnosis.
WOW! you don't think he had mental health issues. I hope you're not a doctor.
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languagefan
21-06-2016, 17:14
WOW! you don't think he had mental health issues. I hope you're not a doctor.
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Sadly for you, I am in fact a medical doctor, and author of a number of books in mental health.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36590824
Ecky Thump
21-06-2016, 17:26
WOW! you don't think he had mental health issues. I hope you're not a doctor.
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Sadly for you, I am in fact a medical doctor, and author of a number of books in mental health.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36590824
Oh boy Eddie....Remove foot from mouth!! :D
essexeddie
21-06-2016, 19:59
Sadly for you, I am in fact a medical doctor, and author of a number of books in mental health.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36590824
Well God help us. No wonder the NHS is in a mess.
I am not a doctor and clearly there are those on this forum who seem to have first hand knowledge of this sad case so we will have to listen to their expert opinion, ahh, another expert.
From the Daily Mail
It has been reported that Jo Cox’s alleged killer went to a clinic to seek help for his long-term mental health problems on the night before the death of the Batley and Spen MP. He was told to come back the next day
but then again you shouldn't believe what you read in papers - you need to make your own mind up.
here is the link to the paper for those who like to read it first hand and not think I have made it up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3649703/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Jo-s-murder-scandal-way-care-mentally-ill.html
essexeddie
21-06-2016, 21:34
No wonder we have so many nutters on the streets when they used to be locked away.
Experts, don't you just love them.
No wonder we have so many nutters on the streets when they used to be locked away.
Experts, don't you just love them.
More like government cutbacks !
Red Devil
21-06-2016, 23:11
I agree with Doreen.
Jo was assassinated and for political reasons. The killer didn't have a Mental Health diagnosis. All killers have anger issues one way or another! That doesn't make them Mentally deranged. He had a track record of facist tendencies and introduced himself in court with his twisted beliefs.
This is the most honest version of truth that media have revealed about Jo's martyrdom:
https://youtu.be/NGtDF0xHCBs
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/20/jo-cox-killing-thomas-mair-to-face-judge-under-terrorism-protocols
Are you saying Kinnocks speech is something we are supposed to believe as the true version of events including him knowing the killers mind-set? What were the political reasons? Democracy? Immigration? Racism? Wild guesses and political opportunism comes immediately to mind. I should imagine most people who kill have twisted beliefs. The killer himself obviously thought he was ill, which is perhaps why he went asking for help the previous day, yet you say he wasnt mentally ill?And Jo Cox was a martyr?
She was very, very unfortunate certainly.
Are you saying Kinnocks speech is something we are supposed to believe as the true version of events including him knowing the killers mind-set? What were the political reasons? Democracy? Immigration? Racism? Wild guesses and political opportunism comes immediately to mind. I should imagine most people who kill have twisted beliefs. The killer himself obviously thought he was ill, which is perhaps why he went asking for help the previous day, yet you say he wasnt mentally ill?And Jo Cox was a martyr?
She was very, very unfortunate certainly.
The fact that Jo Cox was investigating right wing activities in her area is a likely line of inquiry ... I don't normally quote RT, but the Times is behind a paywall
"The Times reports Cox that was preparing to launch a report in the House of Commons later this month, showing an 80 percent rise in anti-Muslim attacks and suggesting that Yorkshire has become a “hotbed of far-right activity.”
Along with the report by Tell MAMA, a monitoring group for anti-Islamic hate crime, Cox had recorded a video about combating Islamophobia, the newspaper says.
In the footage, Cox says anti-Islamic attitudes are so bad in her constituency that “many of our young women don’t feel safe when they’re out on the street.”
Concerns are thought to be so high that the local council asked Tell MAMA to create an initiative to help them tackle the issue.
Fiyaz Mughal, director of Tell MAMA, told the Times there were significant clusters of far-right activity across Yorkshire.
He said that two weeks ago a far-right extremist used a pistol to shatter the glass of a Muslim woman’s car, and “in the last 18 months South Yorkshire is one of the leading areas in the country [for Islamophobic incidents].”
https://www.rt.com/uk/347448-cox-right-wing-extremism/
languagefan
22-06-2016, 12:26
"It has been reported that Jo Cox’s alleged killer went to a clinic to seek help for his long-term mental health problems on the night before the death of the Batley and Spen MP. He was told to come back the next day"
He has been planning this proactively with building a home made gun, and preparing home made ammunition.
The above, if true, could be a premeditated effort in to getting MH history as a back up plan to get diminished responsibility once arrested.
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Well God help us. No wonder the NHS is in a mess.
You are giving us a good idea about your political awareness as well as your IQ with each new post!
essexeddie
22-06-2016, 14:50
You are giving us a good idea about your political awareness as well as your IQ with each new post!
Once you start insulting people you have lost it. Your the "expert" you should know.
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Ecky Thump
22-06-2016, 15:41
Once you start insulting people you have lost it. Your the "expert" you should know.
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Eddie to my mind you are totally correct, if someone does think that another forum members personal opinion is wrong, then they should feel free to express those feelings, but not to sink to the level of personal insults or slights of character....
and people wonder why this forum has diminished in popularity!:confused:
languagefan
22-06-2016, 16:47
On a serious thread about someone's death, going around saying stupid jokes endlessly, you risk being called stupid, and you have earned it yourself. And then bouncing back all manipulative sulking playing innocent is not a kind of manipulation that I give a toss about I am afraid.
essexeddie
22-06-2016, 17:08
Err what jokes? Are you sure you're a doctor?
languagefan
22-06-2016, 18:26
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/yvette-cooper-receives-death-threat-online-against-family
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i understand that in a Constituency not too far from Jo Cox's there has been a Trial of 13 men all belonging to a certain Religion, found Guilty of
Kiddy fiddling and had a total of 130 years sentences as a result.
these were 13 from over 100 arrested during Investigations.
I suggest that in this big wide world charity should always begin at Home, whoever or whatever You are.
I personally cannot understand being selective about this.
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i understand that in a Constituency not too far from Jo Cox's there has been a Trial of 13 men all belonging to a certain Religion, found Guilty of
Kiddy fiddling and had a total of 130 years sentences as a result.
these were 13 from over 100 arrested during Investigations.
I suggest that in this big wide world charity should always begin at Home, whoever or whatever You are.
I personally cannot understand being selective about this.
I don't think you can claim the Hussain brothers were representative of the Muslim religion (if that is who you are referring to)
essexeddie
22-06-2016, 21:56
Tin hat on:whistle:
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ciderhunter
22-06-2016, 22:19
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/yvette-cooper-receives-death-threat-online-against-family
Not sure why you have shared this unless it's an attempt to discredit Brexit. This is ONE tweet.
Nigel Farage has received loads of death threats over the years and also an attempt on his life.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/20/shoot-and-stab-nigel-farage-hundreds-of-social-media-messages-urging-attacks-on-ukip-leader-revealed/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/03/ukip-furious-after-details-of-assasination-attempt-against-farage-leaked/
essexeddie
22-06-2016, 23:13
Surely not.
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languagefan
22-06-2016, 23:18
Sorry that your crystal ball is as fragile as the earlier commentator.
I am in fact pro-Brexit. The reason being that the EU is a nondemocratic institution which was initially started for the exuse of peace and then became a nondemocratic economic continental power to impoverish, endebt, and enslave all European citizens to German (and some other) banks under co-ruling of German and French (speaking) rulers. The non-elected bankers and money tycoons had developed the power to bully elected governments to do as they please.
Once upon a time in the UK under data protection act our banks were not allowed to pass our info to our own gov. We were proud of not having photo ID cards. Now UK banks openly spy on us and give all our info as they please to foreign Govs.
As about Jo Cox, I am deeply upset that a young lovely person from a humble background who wished to serve people of Batley who are one of the most deprived people of our country was assassinated by a terrorist, subsequent the whirlpool of hate, fear, terror and scare mongering created by major politicians of both sides, mixing immgiration, pension and pound, and every damn unrelated matter as well, to create division and disunity. And they succeeded to divide us and turn the UK to Iraq where an angry British person proudly stabs and shoots another innocent Brit in day light in our streets.
The fact that my referendum opinions were diagonally opposite Jo's doesn't matter. We lost the civilisation that we were proud of and turned to a suicide bomber alike nation influenced by lies, fear mongering, hatred, division, blackmail, and are sending tweets threatening killing of children. We walk in streets with knives and guns shooting down elected members of our nation. We regressed to a position to be like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Nigel Farage is a different story he is a hate stirring icon, and one of the main monsters and instigators of this sad scenario. Yet, I don't hesitate to condemn anyone who sends him death threats as well.
Not sure why you have shared this unless it's an attempt to discredit Brexit. This is ONE tweet.
Nigel Farage has received loads of death threats over the years and also an attempt on his life.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/20/shoot-and-stab-nigel-farage-hundreds-of-social-media-messages-urging-attacks-on-ukip-leader-revealed/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/03/ukip-furious-after-details-of-assasination-attempt-against-farage-leaked/
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