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HARDCORE Islamists have vowed to ban booze and mixing between the sexes in new Sharia law enforcement zones across the UK.
The move will see specific areas flooded with thousands of stickers saying "no gambling", "no music or concerts", "no porn or prostitution" and "no drugs or smoking".
The posters declare: "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone - Islamic rules enforced."
The radicals will kick off their controlled zones in the London borough of Waltham Forest later this month.
They also claim their hardline rules will be policed by thousands of "Sharia cops" on the streets.
Preacher Anjem Choudary has called the scheme an alternative to government attempts to combat violent extremism under the Prevent strategy.
Last night the former al-Muhajiroun and Islam4UK leader warned: "The Prevent strategy introduced by Theresa May is going to be countered in the next couple of weeks beginning in Waltham Forest where there will be a Sharia controlled zone sticker campaign.
"This will mean this is an area where the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography, gambling, usury, free mixing between the sexes - the fruits if you like of Western civilisation.
"This will be a very heavy leafleting campaign aimed at both the Muslim and non-Muslim community in terms of what the Sharia means economically, socially and politically.
"Waltham Forest, including Walthamstow and Leyton, will also be targeted with a march.
"We want to run the area as a Sharia controlled zone and really to put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term.
"We want to create an area where Muslims can live together, make transactions with each other, and interact between themselves rather than with the wider community."
The ex-lawyer added: "There are 25 areas around the country which the Government has earmarked as areas where violent extremism is a problem.
"We are going to go to all these same areas and implement our own Sharia controlled zones.
"This is the best way for dealing with drunkenness and loutishness, prostitution and the sort of thug life attitude you get in British cities.
"We live among the non-Muslims but we have to distinguish ourselves from them."
In May we told how Choudary had announced plans to set up teams of Islamic "Guardian Angels" to help implement Sharia law across the UK. He reckoned the "Sharia cops" would do a better job of policing Muslim areas than traditional officers.
Choudary said: "We now have hundreds if not thousands of people up and down the country willing to go out and patrol the streets for us and a print run of between 10,000 and 50,000 stickers ready for distribution."
Last night Jamaal Uddin, 17, was pictured putting up Sharia controlled zone stickers in Walthamstow.
The Muslims Against Crusades member, who said he "embraced Islam" 11 months ago said: "Allah has told us alcohol, drugs, pornography, music and concerts are all forbidden under Islam.
"That is why it is our duty to go out and spread his word among Muslims and the wider community."
Leam_Lin
11-07-2011, 09:46
I think its frightening, we have a sharia law place on the A5 near Nuneaton, at the Hijaz college!!!!!!!!!!!!! god help us, True Brits should stand against this, we are a christian country.
Sharia law has been in Britain quite a while and accepted by the establishment as a means of resolving disputes within the Muslim community. It is not part of mainstream law and does not over-rule any aspect of English law. Yes, there are aspects - illegal in the UK - which give cause for concern.
You must be careful not allow extremist views of individuals to confuse issues. There are so many people who make claims of intolerance who are quite happy to be intolerant of others! It is hardly likely that the UK Government would tolerate, yet alone allow what is proposed.
But on one point " the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography" maybe there is a point. I am firmly NOT against alcohol, but I am firmly of the belief there should be restrictions and penalties. After all do you like to see some of the legless activities that goes with over-indulgence?
uptowngirl
11-07-2011, 10:38
HARDCORE Islamists have vowed to ban booze and mixing between the sexes in new Sharia law enforcement zones across the UK.
The move will see specific areas flooded with thousands of stickers saying "no gambling", "no music or concerts", "no porn or prostitution" and "no drugs or smoking".
The posters declare: "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone - Islamic rules enforced."
The radicals will kick off their controlled zones in the London borough of Waltham Forest later this month.
They also claim their hardline rules will be policed by thousands of "Sharia cops" on the streets.
Preacher Anjem Choudary has called the scheme an alternative to government attempts to combat violent extremism under the Prevent strategy.
Last night the former al-Muhajiroun and Islam4UK leader warned: "The Prevent strategy introduced by Theresa May is going to be countered in the next couple of weeks beginning in Waltham Forest where there will be a Sharia controlled zone sticker campaign.
"This will mean this is an area where the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography, gambling, usury, free mixing between the sexes - the fruits if you like of Western civilisation.
"This will be a very heavy leafleting campaign aimed at both the Muslim and non-Muslim community in terms of what the Sharia means economically, socially and politically.
"Waltham Forest, including Walthamstow and Leyton, will also be targeted with a march.
"We want to run the area as a Sharia controlled zone and really to put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term.
"We want to create an area where Muslims can live together, make transactions with each other, and interact between themselves rather than with the wider community."
The ex-lawyer added: "There are 25 areas around the country which the Government has earmarked as areas where violent extremism is a problem.
"We are going to go to all these same areas and implement our own Sharia controlled zones.
"This is the best way for dealing with drunkenness and loutishness, prostitution and the sort of thug life attitude you get in British cities.
"We live among the non-Muslims but we have to distinguish ourselves from them."
In May we told how Choudary had announced plans to set up teams of Islamic "Guardian Angels" to help implement Sharia law across the UK. He reckoned the "Sharia cops" would do a better job of policing Muslim areas than traditional officers.
Choudary said: "We now have hundreds if not thousands of people up and down the country willing to go out and patrol the streets for us and a print run of between 10,000 and 50,000 stickers ready for distribution."
Last night Jamaal Uddin, 17, was pictured putting up Sharia controlled zone stickers in Walthamstow.
The Muslims Against Crusades member, who said he "embraced Islam" 11 months ago said: "Allah has told us alcohol, drugs, pornography, music and concerts are all forbidden under Islam.
"That is why it is our duty to go out and spread his word among Muslims and the wider community."
Please say this is a wind up!!!! How/who on earth let our country come to this????
Please say this is a wind up!!!! How/who on earth let our country come to this????it is taken from a sunday paper
Leam_Lin
11-07-2011, 10:41
Please say this is a wind up!!!! How/who on earth let our country come to this????
NO. I do not think it is a wind up these people are radical, it must be stopped from going any further. I despair about the future in Britain for my grandchildren.
caroletenerife
11-07-2011, 11:06
These people are extremists and the newpaper is exploiting that, remember the idiot christian preacher burning the Koran, he got way too much publicity, however he didnt represent the majority of Christians. Moderate Muslims (the majority) suffer from this kind of publicity because it tarrs them all with the same brush...saying that if these people would like to step into Glasgow and impose their law...feel free. That should be a laugh
I think this "Sharia Law" zone is intended to incite anti muslim feeling and has obviously worked.
Leam_Lin
11-07-2011, 13:50
I think this "Sharia Law" zone is intended to incite anti muslim feeling and has obviously worked.
Perhaps where you live you may be cushioned from all the immigrants flooding into Britain, next time you are anywhere near the West Midlands, Leicestershire area visit a car boot on a Sunday its frightening how many are here.
Perhaps where you live you may be cushioned from all the immigrants flooding into Britain, next time you are anywhere near the West Midlands, Leicestershire area visit a car boot on a Sunday its frightening how many are here.
Fundamental anything is dangerous, either Islam or Christian. I believe in a multi-cultural society where one is free to follow any belief. I don't want to have any ideals forced down my throat and I agree with a lot of your sentiments. I don't however,feel that statements such as "the biggest majority of child prostitution rings are run by muslims," is going to do anyone any favours.
DJ Dangerous
11-07-2011, 16:04
This debate has been ongoing (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054994516) for quite some time back in Ireland, but is not as worrying as the alarmists make it seem.
The basic facts and figures show that it will take a long time before there is a majority in a position to change or scrap the constitution.
History tells us that when two cultures meet (relatively) peacefully, both become diluted.
Sharia Law is a couple of hundred years behind Christian law, which in turn is a couple of hundred years behind modern social, criminal and civil law.
Some laws will change, some will not, some will die out, new ones will be born, but it may take another hundred years before there is a majority in favour of the change, and by then the cultures will be sufficiently diluted to make it a very different scenario to now.
The "culture shock" won't really be a shock at all.
Leam_Lin
11-07-2011, 16:35
Sharia law is already practised at the Hajiz college on the A5 on the outskirts of Nuneaton.
I am just glad we moved out of the UK when we did, things were bad enough then where we lived and they are so obviously getting worse for the whole Country. I am English and proud to be so but I am not proud of the powers that be who have allowed my Country to be taken over. People can say as often as they like 'it won't happen' blah blah, but it has and it will continue to do so until it is not 'our' Country any more. That day is not far off.
I think I will go and have a glass of red wine and a cigarette while I read some of my Jackie Collins book
:cheers:
junglejim
12-07-2011, 13:39
Youīre lucky - the Wee Free Church in Highlands and Islands in West of Scotland have been doing this for years - No drinking or working or travelling on the Sabbath, no TV amongst other things - no shops to open !!
http://www.secularcafe.org/showthread.php?t=9521
"This will mean this is an area where the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography, gambling, usury, free mixing between the sexes - the fruits if you like of Western civilisation."
I find it very hypocritical that Muslims say they will not tolerate the above. I worked with Muslims for several years, they smoked like chimneys, used to frequent the Spearmint Rhino, were the first to want tickets for Ascot and insisted that flights were always booked on BA where they could have a drink as they knew it wasnīt allowed on Kuwait Airways. Come Ramadan they would go to McDonalds for burgers at lunchtime (said they needed to eat due to stress of work) then leave work at 2.00pm which was the end of the day for those who had been fasting !!! I know it is a bit of a generalisation and based on those that I know personally - generally they were lovely people but what is the purpose of these laws if they only apply to some of the people some of the time. :crazy:
"This will mean this is an area where the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography, gambling, usury, free mixing between the sexes - the fruits if you like of Western civilisation."
I find it very hypocritical that Muslims say they will not tolerate the above. I worked with Muslims for several years, they smoked like chimneys, used to frequent the Spearmint Rhino, were the first to want tickets for Ascot and insisted that flights were always booked on BA where they could have a drink as they knew it wasnīt allowed on Kuwait Airways. Come Ramadan they would go to McDonalds for burgers at lunchtime (said they needed to eat due to stress of work) then leave work at 2.00pm which was the end of the day for those who had been fasting !!! I know it is a bit of a generalisation and based on those that I know personally - generally they were lovely people but what is the purpose of these laws if they only apply to some of the people some of the time. :crazy:
Just to balance the argument ( and I agree with Zara above) I'd like to say that Christians are no better. To the best of my knowledge ( I'm open to correction here, but don't Christian churches still have in canon law that a tithe should be collected from each family every Sunday? ( A tithe is a tax the equivalent of one tenth of your earnings). Also, how many Christians "Keep holy the Sabbath day"?
I suppose that is why they pass the plate around in church. But as I havenīt been for decades, except for marriages and christenings donīt know if this still happens. I was surprised though that where I come from Sunday mass was moved to a Saturday evening for the convenience of the parishioners - now what's that about??? Too much of a hangover to go to church :pray:
If they dont like the British and our country as it is why dont they all just GO HOME??
If they dont like the British and our country as it is why dont they all just GO HOME??
But some are 2nd and 3rd generation so it is their home???
If they want a different lifestyle then they should go back to their parents/grandparents country where they can get it, not change ours.
onelegnofeet
12-07-2011, 15:10
I suppose that is why they pass the plate around in church. :
BAH! trust me .............i thought you were supposed to take money OFF the plate !!!
If they dont like the British and our country as it is why dont they all just GO HOME??
Blinking eck !! is reggies ban over already ????
Wrong, very very wrong.... :(
caroletenerife
12-07-2011, 20:28
[QUOTE=BoPeep;58380]If they want a different lifestyle then they should go back to their parents/grandparents country where they can get it, not change ours.[/QUOT
The Spanish have tolerated the Brit invasion and our way of life we have brought with us. I know British people who have never, do not currently and do not intend to pay taxes into the Spanish system, they are quite happy to take but give nothing back. So there are good and bad everywhere. The OP was obviously an example of extremist views, however it seems to have brought the bigots out of the woodwork trying to persuade us all that this is this is the norm, always ready to jump on the 'we are all doomed bandwagon'
I'm going to throw a spanner in the works here. I showed this thread to a friend of mine who was born and bred in Manchester. I don't know if the comment was "tongue in cheek" and to be honest, I didn't want to question her too much about it. She said that "these Muslims are coming in from former British colonies and basically colonising Britain in their own image. Its their method of exacting retribution for what they suffered under British rule in the days of the empire. We should have wiped them out when we had the chance"
N.B. I'm only the messenger so don't go attacking me!!:harp:
slodgedad
12-07-2011, 21:33
I'm going to throw a spanner in the works here. I showed this thread to a friend of mine who was born and bred in Manchester. I don't know if the comment was "tongue in cheek" and to be honest, I didn't want to question her too much about it. She said that "these Muslims are coming in from former British colonies and basically colonising Britain in their own image. Its their method of exacting retribution for what they suffered under British rule in the days of the empire. We should have wiped them out when we had the chance"
N.B. I'm only the messenger so don't go attacking me!!:harp:
Isn't that exactly the same as British colonists attempted to do?
(Personal opinion. Nothing to do with my mod status)
[QUOTE=slodgedad;58644]Isn't that exactly the same as British colonists attempted to do?
(Personal opinion. Nothing to do with my mod status)[/QUOTE
I would tend to agree with that
caroletenerife
12-07-2011, 22:35
We exploited India under colonial rule and took what we wanted, have you ever seen the crown jewels, pillaged from all over the empire. The Indian and Pakistanis were invited here by Britain to fill the huge gap in the labour market after the War. Again we exploited them with lower wages than whites and poor working conditions. Half a century on the majority are integrated in our society and alot are wealthy due to their hard work during the early years.... i'm sure there are alot that dont work and are lazy,...but i think that is something they may have learned from our society. On the Indian continent...you dont work, you dont get....that hardly applys to the British system
I think its frightening, we have a sharia law place on the A5 near Nuneaton, at the Hijaz college!!!!!!!!!!!!! god help us, True Brits should stand against this, we are a christian country.bloody hell we live on the a5 in brownhills, but it aint reached us yet!!
Added after 8 minutes:
Sharia law has been in Britain quite a while and accepted by the establishment as a means of resolving disputes within the Muslim community. It is not part of mainstream law and does not over-rule any aspect of English law. Yes, there are aspects - illegal in the UK - which give cause for concern.
You must be careful not allow extremist views of individuals to confuse issues. There are so many people who make claims of intolerance who are quite happy to be intolerant of others! It is hardly likely that the UK Government would tolerate, yet alone allow what is proposed.
But on one point " the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography" maybe there is a point. I am firmly NOT against alcohol, but I am firmly of the belief there should be restrictions and penalties. After all do you like to see some of the legless activities that goes with over-indulgence?i know so many muslims that drink smoke and go with white girls it is untrue!!!! they have double standards, i was working at a middle aged Muslim guys last week and he and his friend were telling me about their recent trip to the shagging capital of the world thailand!!! while their ever loving wifes stayed at home looking after their (between them) 7 kids
Strange innit that they openly flaut our laws and customs, revile our military heroes who fight for the freedoms they despise so much then they get all snotty when we show support for any right wing parties such as the BNP who wish to cling to our heritage. Anyone caught enforcing sharia law where it contradicts UK law should be deported to a land where sharia law is upheld. Then they will feel right at home and have nothing to protest about!
But some are 2nd and 3rd generation so it is their home???
Not having a dig Zara
If a farmers dog give's birth to pups in a barn dose that make them horses.As Bernard Maning once said.:):dog:
Sharia law has been in Britain quite a while and accepted by the establishment as a means of resolving disputes within the Muslim community. It is not part of mainstream law and does not over-rule any aspect of English law. Yes, there are aspects - illegal in the UK - which give cause for concern.
You must be careful not allow extremist views of individuals to confuse issues. There are so many people who make claims of intolerance who are quite happy to be intolerant of others! It is hardly likely that the UK Government would tolerate, yet alone allow what is proposed..........?
Where on earth have you been living for the past 10-20 years. It appears to me, that any "PC" or "minority interest group" wins special concessions form the UK government. That's is what is bringing the country to its knees. I bet they are allowed to set up what will effectively be "no go zones" for Brits.
caroletenerife
13-07-2011, 01:18
Where on earth have you been living for the past 10-20 years. It appears to me, that any "PC" or "minority interest group" wins special concessions form the UK government. That's is what is bringing the country to its knees. I bet they are allowed to set up what will effectively be "no go zones" for Brits.
Then tackle the government about it, generalising and alienating an entire group of people because your looking for someone to blame for the entire countries ills, is very reminisant of pre 1940 Nazi Germany!!!!!
Not having a dig Zara
If a farmers dog give's birth to pups in a barn dose that make them horses.As Bernard Maning once said.:):dog:
Jack, IMO your comment shows more about you than it does me - while I have said I did not agree with the hypocrisy of those I worked with, you cannot possibly tar a whole race black based on the minority. I am finding some comments in this thread offensive and blatantly racist and wonder why they are still here.
Jack, IMO your comment shows more about you than it does me - while I have said I did not agree with the hypocrisy of those I worked with, you cannot possibly tar a whole race black based on the minority. I am finding some comments in this thread offensive and blatantly racist and wonder why they are still here.
I agree totally with you on that Zara! If that case is true, then , I should still blame the English for the exploitation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, pillage, murder that took place in Ireland up to the 1900's. You cannot tar all with the one brush. If one does, then one is every bit as fundamental as the extremists who promote Sharia law in a democratic country. Mods, take a hard look at this thread please!
I agree totally with you on that Zara! If that case is true, then , I should still blame the English for the exploitation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, pillage, murder that took place in Ireland up to the 1900's. You cannot tar all with the one brush. If one does, then one is every bit as fundamental as the extremists who promote Sharia law in a democratic country. Mods, take a hard look at this thread please!
Quite right, similarly in the 1970s with the troubles in N. Ireland, all we heard about daily on the news was the bad but I know lots of Irish people who were just as horrified by what was going on as the English and felt that what was being portrayed was aimed at everyone when in fact the reality was we were being fed selective propaganda. No excuse one was as bad as the other but generally this was confined to certain areas. We should have learnt lessons and moved forward, live and let live otherwise hatred and bigotry makes for a very sad world for our children.
I have read through this thread and although saddened by some of the extremist and stereotypical views expressed here, I feel that to just remove them is to contradict the point of allowing a free and frank discussion. This is my opinion not wearing my mod hat!! I believe debate is about examining opposite viewpoints and making oneīs own mind up about the value of each contribution. If posts are removed just because they contradict our own personal view of the truth of a situation, the thread of the debate is lost and one cannot make an informed decision.
With my mod hat on, thank you for those who reported your concerns. Iīm sure there will be further discussion amongst the mods later.
Quite right, similarly in the 1970s with the troubles in N. Ireland, all we heard about daily on the news was the bad but I know lots of Irish people who were just as horrified by what was going on as the English and felt that what was being portrayed was aimed at everyone when in fact the reality was we were being fed selective propaganda. No excuse one was as bad as the other but generally this was confined to certain areas. We should have learnt lessons and moved forward, live and let live otherwise hatred and bigotry makes for a very sad world for our children.
I would agree with you except the part where you say "live and let live" - if we all lived by that creed then governments wouldn't be stepping in to FREE people in places like Libya, Syria etc etc
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Then tackle the government about it, generalising and alienating an entire group of people because your looking for someone to blame for the entire countries ills, is very reminisant of pre 1940 Nazi Germany!!!!!
Firstly, I don't live in the UK. Haven't done for about 12 years, partly because I could see the way the country was heading. However, more importantly, opposition groups are not necessarily started on home soil and often take years to culminate in any form of coherent, cohesive and effective force - read your history books. And for you to liken my comments to "pre 1940 Nazi Germany" is ludricous, especially as I am of German descent! It is comments like yours that incite riots as opposed to intelligent debate about the issues. The point I made about minority groups forming no go zones is perfectly valid - but this applies to groups of all ethnic origins, not as you have assumed just "foreign" ones. This is why the UK police force have been tasked at times to retake control of areas, where they put more beat bobbies back on the ground and return the area to some sense of normality ( albeit after many months or even years of effort).
Added after 4 minutes:
Quite right, similarly in the 1970s with the troubles in N. Ireland, all we heard about daily on the news was the bad but I know lots of Irish people who were just as horrified by what was going on as the English and felt that what was being portrayed was aimed at everyone when in fact the reality was we were being fed selective propaganda. No excuse one was as bad as the other but generally this was confined to certain areas. We should have learnt lessons and moved forward, live and let live otherwise hatred and bigotry makes for a very sad world for our children.
Unfortunately even with the current " phone hacking " headlines in the press these days, the reported news is generally all doom and gloom. Why? Because the media believe and have indoctrinated the majority of people to believe that this is real news. I remember the days when either the ITV or BBC ( cann't remember which) ended the news with a few minutes of "good news" - refreshing stories of new inventions, or space discoveries or acts of good deeds by people. Sadly it didn't last long - ratings didn't justify it!
Politics or religion always fires up hidden depths. So here is one for the forum:
Take the case of Enoch Powell MP. In 1958 he made a documentary, shown in cinemas at the time, asking us to welcome our coloured brothers from overseas because the british economy needed them. A few years later he was making his famous 'Rivers of blood' speech. Talk about U turns he invented them!
Now some serious food for thought.
Look around you in Tenerife, look at the camera shops, the watch shops, the booze shops, the ciggy shops, the bag shops, the shoe shops and yes even the looky looky men and women.
Muslims one and all.
:pray:Are we next for Sharia Law?:pray::hole:
I would agree with you except the part where you say "live and let live" - if we all lived by that creed then governments wouldn't be stepping in to FREE people in places like Libya, Syria etc etc
While I believe this is the subject of a whole new thread, I disagree with the above comment - governments should sort out the problems in their own country before stepping in to tell others how to run theirs - only when they can honestly say they 100% look after their own will I believe they have the right to tell others what to do. Until then it is interfering - no better than a nosy neighbour - but of course this generally happens when there is an ulterior motive.
rosemary
17-07-2011, 14:44
Not having a dig Zara
If a farmers dog give's birth to pups in a barn dose that make them horses.As Bernard Maning once said.:):dog:
This is the very crux of the matter. If I was born in China does this make me Chinese? No. It may mean I have a Dual Nationality. Maybe my grandchildren also if they are born in China. What does make a person belong to the nation they were born in? A feeling they have? Or the same DNA? Or a wanting to belong and an admiration for the society they were born into? It really is common sense isnīt it? Who has the deciding vote? Is it the government or the individual?
Far far better than the issueing of a British Passport based on where your father was born is the American Constitution and the swearing of total allegiance.
carpdaught1
18-07-2011, 00:54
I try not to be racist but when living in a foreign country do we not abide by their laws,if we had a little britain section here in Tenerife only abiding by british rules either legal or religious would the spanish not kick off .When in Tunisia you cannot hold hands going for a walk or trouble will follow. Tunisians will ask to accompany you into a hotel disco so they can drink etc.Why do we bother to adhere to policies of a country we live in or visit when the same cannot be said in the UK
geengezicht
18-07-2011, 03:21
I live in an area in close proximity to a major Muslim population and I can say, without any compunction that elements of their society (ours as well) need to be cleaned up before they ever come the holier than thou stance.
Pornography? Crikey O Riley, one can buy anything at our corner shop. And I will not even begin about the other stuff.
Wake up Britain
I live in an area in close proximity to a major Muslim population and I can say, without any compunction that elements of their society (ours as well) need to be cleaned up before they ever come the holier than thou stance.
Pornography? Crikey O Riley, one can buy anything at our corner shop. And I will not even begin about the other stuff.
Wake up Britain
The other stuff, started when they set up camp here, where do you think they get all their money, Wake up england
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