The infamous El Barranco/Your Place Abroad scam Thread

[jack oakley]

Hi All, i have had numerous phone calls and emails regarding the thread ;
"is anyone else purchasing el barranco amarilla golf".
As most of us know it was a highly emotive thread compulsing 35,000 views before the old forum went down. Many victims of the scam looked to that thread for any new information that was vital to them. It would be great if the old thread were to re-emerge with it's 300 plus post's if it is lost forever then it would be pertinant to re-issue the main 'jist' of the thread.
Briefly a gang of unethical and unscrupulous individuals from three different companies formed an alliance using the modus operendi of trawling sportsmens dinners, golf pro-am days, and property abroad purchase fairs to distribute leaflets and brochure's containing computer visualisations of non-exsistant developments. The companies behind the scam were The Royal Marbella Group (Michael Hone, Christopher Davies and Mark Cordner), Your Place Abroad Ltd ( Christopher Davies, Andrew Davies ,Jason Curtis and Adrian Benson ). With their visualisations and promises of free penthouses they 'hooked in' numerous high profile sportsmen to act as media figureheads to endorse the unplanned developments making it much easier to 'con' hundreds of victims into parting with millions of pounds in deposits for what they thought would be dream homes in the sun. Sir Geoff Hurst, Michael Vaughan, Lee Westwood, Steve Redgrave and Andrew Flintoff were duped into allowing their names to be used as 'Ambassidors of the various unplanned and unbuilt developments and with their 'testimonials' punters lined up like lemmings to part with their deposits or CONTRACTUAL INVESTMENTS in the various companies. Chris Davies (R.M.G and YPA) also formed an alliance with Peter Reginald Lowe, (Peter Lowe Construction LTD ) and they started several projects of their own, one in the name of Taurus Project SL and Taurus Holdings Limited, that project was EL BARRANCO on the Amarilla Golf. The Royal Marbella Group folded after conning their victims out of TWENTY SIX MILLION EURO'S. Michael Hone did a runner and is nowhere to be found, Davies and his gang are still operating under different company guises, (FADALLIO LTD, FAIRWAY LIVING LTD, and MARINA ESTATES on the Amarilla Golf). I shall post the full story of El Barranco in this thread if the old.com one is lost (hopefully it won't be) Jack. O

[doreen]

Hi Jack - we will do our best to save the thread, or at least cut & paste as much as possible so you could edit it :)

[AL JAY]

Hi Jack, You can still view the old thread, if you google " tenerife forum el barranco" but don't click on the link,.... click on the "cached" bit in blue at the right hand side. It comes up on page 9 post 81 but if you try to click on other pages you get directed back here to the new forum.

[jack oakley]

Hi Jack - we will do our best to save the thread, or at least cut & paste as much as possible so you could edit it :)

Thanks Doreen and Al, everyone connected with keeping the forum afloat deserves a medal. There are many forums but none with the integrity shown by T/Fs admin and mod's and the banter from the members, it's better than reading a newspaper or watching telly. I know that it is a life-line for some housebound people and people who live alone, whatever the topic we all have an opinion, whatever the problem we all chip in with our advise, some of us are knowledgable about certain subjects and are qualified to give advise, some of us THINK we are qualified to give advise, some of know sod-all on the subject but chuck in our two-penneth anyway which makes the forum the compulsive entity that it is. It is at times funny, it is at times witty, it is at times interesting, it is at times down right silly, but it is also informative and conveys important information that would be difficult to find elswhere.
Great job all. Jack.o

[Margaretta]

Jack, there are so many lovely developments in Amarilla Golf but of course that and Golf del Sur were sadly hit by the recession and some genuinely abandoned due to that.
Would it be helpful to show a map here and clarify names of developments completed and inhabited, those being developed, those abandoned and the area where it is suggested that the unscrupulous were pretending to develop? The barranco? Only recently has a proper road been made into the area from the Golf so some people may be muddling where exactly it is.
People who are planning to buy there would have an idea of what is 'safe' to look at and what isn't.

A little aside: on the apartment owners thread I asked if anyone knew about the mysterious development just edging on Amarilla golf called El Guincho (looks completed/ orange and green houses.) Like the song: 'You can't get into it, you can't get under it, You can't get round it?' Does anyone know anything about it??

[Su1]

Heard a rumour that El Guincho was built for the Spanish as low cost housing however if they remain empty for three years 'they' (whoever they) are can sell them off. Have no idea if this true or not........was the answer I was given in a bar on Amarilla when I asked the same question!!

[jack oakley]

Jack, there are so many lovely developments in Amarilla Golf but of course that and Golf del Sur were sadly hit by the recession and some genuinely abandoned due to that.
Would it be helpful to show a map here and clarify names of developments completed and inhabited, those being developed, those abandoned and the area where it is suggested that the unscrupulous were pretending to develop? The barranco? Only recently has a proper road been made into the area from the Golf so some people may be muddling where exactly it is.
People who are planning to buy there would have an idea of what is 'safe' to look at and what isn't.

A little aside: on the apartment owners thread I asked if anyone knew about the mysterious development just edging on Amarilla golf called El Guincho (looks completed/ orange and green houses.) Like the song: 'You can't get into it, you can't get under it, You can't get round it?' Does anyone know anything about it??

Hello Margaretta, it is my belief that the urbanisation you refer to is Atlantic Village, it is a subsidised development for native teneriffians who cannot afford homes in the south, many workers travel from Santa Cruz to work in Cristianos, Americas or the Airport. Due to property prices in the south having tourist rental premiums it is difficult for teneriffians to get on the property ladder, those little orange and green houses are available to purchase for a subsidised price of 45,000euros. You are right in saying that there are some lovely developments on the Amarilla and there are in the south some genuinly abandoned projects due to the current recession, EL BARRANCO is not one of them, it is situated in the heart of what used to be a beautiful whitewashed village, quite simply it has desicrated the area and is a disgrace to all that allowed it to be erected. Its history goes back to 1997 when the Amarilla golf dream turned into a nightmare, cowboy developers went bankrupt leaving the whole area with illegal and insufficiant infrastructure. A group of individuals mounted a rescue attempt but the upshot of that was that they 'divied-up' between them everything that was'nt nailed down. Some claimed ownership of swimming pools, some claimed ownership of bars and sotano's and some claimed ownership of parcellas of land. Chris Davies claimed ownership of The Bridge Commercial Centre and part ownership of several land plots, the natural Amarilla barranco being one of them. Building in a barranco is tantamount to building a toxic landfill site on the shores of lake windermere or in the peak district ,it should have been protected land. In fact a building embago had been declared on the Amarilla golf by the tenerife cabildo (government) forbidding any new building until at least 2005, this did not stop Davies from having computer enhanced visualisations of a development complex situated INSIDE the barranco. He used his now infamous operendi of registering reams of limited companies to market the unbuilt and unplanned complex. With a glossy brochure and a spurious testimonial from Andrew Freddie Flintoff claiming he had purchased a penthouse there, he advertised the sale of brand new one bedroom apartments for 60,000 pounds , he knew that he could not erect an M.F.I garden shed for that money but 50-odd punters were taken in and during 2001 stumped up 10% deposits believing they would be sunbathing on their balconies by a promised completion date of 2003. Davies knew as did everyone on the golf that he did not have the legal planning permission or the legal building licence and would have no chance of obtaining them due to the building embago. It is an offence in spain to take a deposit on an as-yet unlicenced and unbuilt property but his friend Michael Hone (the royal marbella group) had found a loophole and perfected the now known scam of declaring that the money put down by the victims was NOT A DEPOSIT, it was declared to be a CONTRACTUAL INVESTMENT in the development company. In other words the punters had invested 10grand in what Davies registered as TAURUS PROJECT.S.L. After 4years and still no development the punters became impatient and angry demanding their money back, Davies lobbied the local Mayor and secured the ""services"" of the town hall architect and planning official, they are reported to have said they would allow him to build in the barranco if he stumped up one and a half million euros. In 2004 Davies erected an eight foot high fence and declared it to be a PRE-FOUNDATION stage payment forcing his victims to stump up another 30% of what they still thought would be a 60grand apartment. With the money raised by 50 stage payments he handed over one million euros to the mayor and was given planning permission to build inside the barranco BUT .....the apartment prices had overnight risen to A QUARTER OF A MILLION EUROS per apartment. The victims had budgeted for 60grand and no more and most if not all demanded their money back, Davies told them that he didn't have the money it had all gone, he told them that they could report him and instigate bankruptcy proceedings resulting in them losing every cent, or if they hung on till it was built they could either have an apartment for half price ie; 125grand or sell their plot to a new buyer and get their money back. They had no choice but to allow him to build, greed graft and incompitence prevailed, and it was constructed by a gang of clowns for tuppence and the finished result is so disgusting that no-one with an ounce of sence would want to lay claim to a dustbin there. So the fifty or so punters cannot sell on their plots and they can't afford to stump up the extra 60grand PLUS A SHARE OF THE LAND DEBT DUE TO DAVIES NOT PAYING THE BANKS. Once the construction was finished the company dissolved so that there would be no comeback and building guarantee, but lo and behold opened up again with a different name and proceeded to construct The Royal Marina Golf. So El Barranco has lain rotting since it's completion in 2007 , numerous attempts were made by Davies, Davies's brother Andrew, and Adrian Benson to try and get victims to pay up the final balance of the purchase, the clever victims used their own solicitors who advised them that if they did complete they would be liable to stump up an additional extortionate fee for a proportion of the land debt owed to the banks due to Davies not paying the land morgage so none of the victims were daft enough to complete. From 2007 until they were exposed in 2010 Davies and members of his gang posed as happy and contented purchasers posting glowing reports on numerous forums including this one on how they were proud owners of El Barranco apartments and how easy the completion proccess was. Adrian Benson stated on this forum in 2009 that the complex was 65% sold, 20 odd punters had completed and the rest were being purchased by a Gibroltar based corporate fund, I exposed that post as being the pack of lies it is now proven to be. It's abandoned stinking swimming pools are now a breeding ground for a few rats and millions of mosquito's that now plague Pebble Beach Village. Believe me Margaretta you can't miss it it looks like a Mumbia slum in the centre of a beautiful golf complex. With regard to purchasing anything on the Amarilla do NOT buy anything that has not yet been built, do NOT buy anything that does not have a genuine deed (escatura), ONLY buy from a well known bona-fide property agency and use the services of a respected lawyer, i would not advise anyone to use Davies's estate agency MARINA ESTATES. There are some fabulous properties for sale on the Amarilla and in the Pebble Beach Area representing very good value sadly some have to look across at El Barranco but hopefully it will be justly bulldozed sometime soon.Jack.O

[Angusjim]

Jack what ever happened to the TV program you were puting together about this ?

[Nafnut]

Not sure I have the right one, if you mean the one that you can see when driving down the road to Golf del Sur then these are for rent only. We went to be nosey one Sunday and to our surprise found an open office with a man happy to show us round. The apartments and villas are lovely but he said there are only 20ish complete as the developer ran out of money so there are hundreds sat there uncompleted and they are unable to sell any. The rents are really stupidly cheap eg. 580€ for a 3 bed villa with community fees (has one working pool) and some bills included, also they are are fully furnished but the catch is this is only for the first year, it then doubles. He said that he cannot see how the developer can put the rents up as everyone would move out so he was confident it wouldn't happen, but of course you have to sign a contract with these conditions, not really worth the risk. Shame really it looks like it had some nice potential.

[Su1]

So El Barranco has lain rotting since it's completion in 2007 and is now a breeding ground for the millions of rats and mosquito's that now plague Pebble Beach Village.

Jack
Our apartment is in Pebble Beach and we are definately NOT plagued by rats or mosquito's ....perhaps those nearer the Pebble Bridge are? However friends at Fairways have not reported a problem either. Anyone else like to comment?
Agree with you its an eyesore and never should have been built

[dotty1]

Our apartment is in Pebble Beach and I agree with sue we do not have a problem with rats or any other insects. I also agree with Jack it is an eyesore, should never have been built and something should be done about it. Feel sorry for all the people that have lost money, never to be recovered. Nobody seems to be interested, money made, fast getaway

[jack oakley]

Jack what ever happened to the TV program you were puting together about this ?


Hi Angus, The program is still "in the can" so to speak but for several reasons the powers that be are sitting on it.
Firstly a number of El Barranco's victims DO NOT want it shown for fear of losing every cent they have been pursuaded to part with, circa 45 to 50 thousand euros per victim. Davies has been telling them all for five years that he is seeking a "rescue package" in that he is trying to get a corporate fund to buy El Barranco's 10 million euro land morgage debt so that each victim will get back a portion of what they were conned out of. He has been dangling this so called rescue package like a carrot in front of a donkey and each week comes up with some feeble excuse as why it has not yet materialised so they are unwilling to "blow the whistle" in case they get nothing, quite simply they are hanging in like hapless gamblers hoping the next card he deals them will be an ace, sadly they are deluding themselves, the only winner in the game will be Davies. The media moguls are not interested in PREVENTING an evil scam, that is not news, if and when the place is eventualy declared officialy bankrupt and hopefully bulldozed, and when it becomes clear that every victim has lost every cent, IT THEN BECOMES NEWS AND THEY WILL BROADCAST IT, sad and wrong but 'thats life'. However two other television companies have made programs about the El Barranco fiasco, one of which is I.T.V.s HOLIDAY HOMES FROM HELL. Davies and his gang for the past 7 years have also been taking deposits on non existant developments in Turkey, Portugal, Egypt, Margarita, Mainland spain and Majorca through his numerous YOUR PLACE ABROAD LIMITED companies , EVERY LIMITED COMPANY HE HAS REGISTERED (apart from his newly formed Fairways Living Ltd )HAS GONE INTO LIQUIDATION owing creditors millions, no-one can find the money scammed and he is bleating that he has no viable assets but....his employee Philip Wright has been overseeing the building of a mysterious development of linked townhouses and duplex apartments on the Amarilla golf directly in front of the Royal Marina Golf and just behind the Virgo complex. It is pretty much complete but has no sales office, no access and no name, it is as though whoever owns it wants to keep it a secret...??? mmm. IF it is his why is he keeping it a secret ? could it be that he does'nt want his hundreds of creditors knowing that he DOES have assets after all, it looks very sellable and could be worth 20million euros, why did he not direct the money spent on building it ( probobly 3 million euros ) on paying off the land morgage debt on el barranco ? (before he "gained" the spurious planning permission the barranco was monitarily worthless once permission had been granted the land became a valuable building plot which was then morgaged to the banks for four million euros, enough to build the whole .....house) , and why have the six swimming pools which now are a quarter full of dirty black stinking stagnant water been left to be a breeding ground for mosquito's?. For all the victims he owes money to including the Y.B.A. victims, the El Barranco victims and the community of Pebble Beach Village (to which he owes 60,000 euros in non paid community fee's) he is still maintaining he has no assets, yet he own's The Pebble Bridge commercial center, Marina Estates realestate agency, and POSSIBLY that secret development. There is no money shown in his Taurus Project S.L (el barranco) company administrated by Davies and Lowe, yet Taurus Holdings Limited (same ownership) HAS money and IS solvent. Quite simply all his victims need to get together and force a police investigation into Y.P.A.'s activities and to uncover hidden assets like saleable land plots that they were boasting they owned and havn't yet developed. One might also ask the question...why havn't the banks foreclosed and snatched El Barranco??, simple answer... the place is so disgusting they don't want it !, they know if they seized it they couldn't sell it even if they advertised the apartments at 20,000 euros, and there is the possibilty that when all investigations are complete it could be discovered that the monolythic eyesore is actualy illegal anyway. His friend Michael Hone has already scarpered with 26 million euros and his wherabouts are unknown, Chris Davies, Kevin Pearce, Andrew Davies and Jason Curtis continue to do business from their Ack Lane premisis in Bramhall as directors of their newly formed and solvent company FAIRWAYS LIVING LIMITED , Adrian Benson has been left out of this newly formed company and is supposedly working as a barman at the Terrace Bar on the Amarilla, (owned by Davies as part of The Bridge) but rented or leased out.
Sorry if i upset Sue regarding my reference to mozzy's but there has been a plague of mozzy bites on the Aries complex and the medical center on the Golf del Sur have confirmed an unusual increase in badly infected mozzy bites from that area. I know that is not something an owner there would want to broadcast but it would be prudent to tell your holiday renters to pack some mozzy repelent or better still get Davies to clean out his dirty filthy pools. Jack.O

[Su1]

Hi Jack
You've not upset me about the Mozzies/rats, sorry if I gave that impression as i find your posts most interesting and was pleased to see you back on the forum. I was just stating a fact -that we have not, as yet been plagued with them nor have our neighbours who live there permamently so hopefully we must be far enough away. We do not rent our apartment out, only immediate family use it. Currently in the Uk but will be back out shortly so I'm hoping they don't fly/run our way!!! We have stocks of replent and mozzie nets
Probaly think twice about sitting outside at the bars near there though!!. Thanks for the info.

[Margaretta]

Jack, what brilliant research and posts. I was delighted to hear that the 'El Guincho' area is for Canarians and really hope that ultimately it will be a success.
What a horror story about El Barranco! I would still like a map of the area highlighting the places mentioned.
So sorry for the people who seem to have been duped.

[jack oakley]

Jack, what brilliant research and posts. I was delighted to hear that the 'El Guincho' area is for Canarians and really hope that ultimately it will be a success.
What a horror story about El Barranco! I would still like a map of the area highlighting the places mentioned.
So sorry for the people who seem to have been duped.

Hello Margaretta, thankyou for the compliments, i will try to put together the map you require, but i am going to portugal for a few days to do some research on another major scam so it will be a little while before i can post it, watch this space though. Jack.O

[jack oakley]

Jack, there are so many lovely developments in Amarilla Golf but of course that and Golf del Sur were sadly hit by the recession and some genuinely abandoned due to that.
Would it be helpful to show a map here and clarify names of developments completed and inhabited, those being developed, those abandoned and the area where it is suggested that the unscrupulous were pretending to develop? The barranco? Only recently has a proper road been made into the area from the Golf so some people may be muddling where exactly it is.
People who are planning to buy there would have an idea of what is 'safe' to look at and what isn't.


Hi Margaretta,i regret to say i am having difficulty uploading a map that would show you what you want to know, i will try to help by taking you on a written tour of the Amarilla.
Coming into the Amarilla on the new golf del sur approach road look directly to your right you will see a development of villas and town houses, they are rustic and chocolate in colour, this is Palm Ridge it is a first class development and safe to buy (as is most of the Amarilla now). continue in to the Amarilla and on your right is Augusta Park, this is a long established and well run complex and safe to buy. Continue to the T. junction and turn left toward the new marina, on your left is three blocks of apartments which are testiment to having a poorly run community this is Pinehurst, residents have been allowed to alter the balconies and athsetic frontage of the buildings losing the conformity required to keep a complex first class, because of this there are some very cheap apartments there and it is reasonably safe to buy so long as you use a good property agency.
To your right and opposite is an eyesore that was originaly to be a commercial centre, it is now derilict and home to 20 or so rusty scrap cars. Continue down toward the marina and you encounter a large roundabout, turn right, you now see the Amarilla in it's true glory, it is a spectacular and beautiful sight with golf greens to the right and golf greens to the left sweeping down to the new marina (home to 40million euros worth of boats), continue 200metres and on your far right is a small complex of lovely rustic villas called Island Villas, safe to buy. Directly on your right is a large whitewashed complex called Scorpio, this complex was a victim of the original developers of the Amarilla going bankrupt, most of the apartments were claimed by the banks and many disputes surrounded the actual ownership, some original owners moved in having paid the developer but the developer didn;t pay the bank so the bank claimed ownership,the banks desperate to collect some sort of revenue rented them out and didn't care who they rented them to, some one bed apartments were notorious for having 6 or 7 youths living in them, it was a very messy situation but after a 20year long battle it has now been resolved so using a good property agent it is now safe to buy. Look to your left and you will see a long line of whitewashed apartments that go right down to the sea and marina, these are Gemini, Aquarius, and Leo, turn left and follow these apartments which will be on your left, they are all lovely and safe to buy. Half way down this road look to your right and you will see a new complex the ROYAL MARINA GOLF, this was originaly promoted and supposedly owned by Michael Hone and the Royal Marbella Group along with Y.P.A. Davies and Lowe??, they look to be very nice apartments but i have heard there are problems with purchasers not being able to complete and dispite being finished two years ago many apartments remain empty, this does not surprise me and i would advise anyone contemplating purchasing there to tread VERY VERY CAREFULLY. Directly in front of the R.M.G. is a mysterious development that looks almost complete yet has no sales office nor is it being advertised anywhere, it is though whoever does own it is trying to keep it secret, (Davies's employee Philip Wright has been overseeing the building and Brues and Fernandez who constructed El Barranco has built it) read into that what you will but if Davies has or has had anything whatsoever to do with it then do not go near it with a cattle-prod. Continue down to the sea and skirting the sea front and marina is Libra, established and safe to buy. Follow the road behind Libra running parallell to the sea front turn right and this brings you back to the main Amarilla road, turn left and you will start to approach pebble beach village, on your right is a large whitewashed moorish complex called R.C.I. Fairways, this is a timeshare resort but there are some freehold apartments for sale there, safe to buy. To your left is The Bridge commercial centre housing a few bars a few restaurants a supermarket a takeway and a laundry, and the Terrace Bar, directly behind the Bridge is the monolythic disgracefull scab on the landscape EL BARRANCO. If you go down the dip and turn left at the triangular traffic island you now head back toward to sea, on your right is the lovely whitewashed complex called Aries which skirts the road and after Aries bar continues down to the sea as Virgo, these properties are lovely well established and safe to buy. On your left is a 100 metre long 90 foot high mess of rusty iron bars and fire escapes salvaged from an abandoned afganistani prison, THIS IS EL BARRANCO, you won't need any advise whether to buy there or not the concrete and rusty iron mess speaks for itself however it is TOTALY UNSAFE TO BUY. Continue down to the sea front and on your left is a continuation of El Barranco called Sun Bay Villas, this like el barranco looks nothing like the lovely whitewashed properties in pebble beach village, it is a bland looking grey mass of concrete, athseticly unpleasant but i beleive it is safe to buy (unless the spanish coastal protection agency decide that it is too near the sea!!!). Turn round at the bottom and come back up Aries avenue, El Barranco (quantanamo as al jay calls it) is on your right, drive alongside the rusty iron bars and continue to the end by the terrace bar, turn left and directly right toward the 9th hole bar, continue up the hill and you will come tothe Mirador del golf complex, it is an odd looking complex of linked townhouses looking like it's from another planet it's saving grace is that it is white, but it is safe to buy. Continue round and you will come to a pinkish sort of urbanisation called Palm Gardens, it looks very nice and is a first class complex. Crossley Morphet and Lennox are selling it but,.. they were one of the very few estate agents who openly tried to sell El Barranco!, read into that what you will but i beleive they are a reputable agency and Palm Gardens is safe to buy. There is one more danger plot that i feel i should mention and that is adjascent to but below Palm Gardens, it is as yet unbuilt but in 2003 messer's Hone, Davies and Lowe were boasting that they were going to put a development there called THE ROYAL AMARILLA GOLF, they tried to con Sir Geoff Hurst into investing in it and he was about to do so before the truth emerged about the Hone Davies gang, he pulled out and the plot has remained undeveloped but if it should suddenly be advertised as being developed STAY WELL CLEAR. The rest of the golf is made up of Ocean Ridge, La Quinta Villas, La Quinta Heights, and the Armitage (situated near the club house near the old road into the Amarilla) all of these are safe to buy. All in all the Amarilla is a paradise and there are lots of properties for sale representing terrific value, there are one bed top floor apartments on Aries and virgo with twin balconies and heavenly views for circa one hundred thousand euros. Purchase through a reputable estate agency and your dreams will become reality, DO NOT purchase anything from MARINA ESTATES at pebble bridge, this agency is owned by Davies, the frightening thing about this set-up is if you peruse their website
www.directgolfrealestate.com and scroll to BUYING GUIDE INDEX, a subsection of that page is IS IT SAFE.. if you read that section it states that all moneys from all transactions will be processed through their U.K. company, which will either be TAURUS HOLDINGS , FAIRWAY LIVING LIMITED or another micky-mouse company Davies has registered, given his proven history of dissolving, liquidating and the striking off of his miriad of limited companies, it would be folly to hand over 10cents for him to process on your behalf.Hope this has been of assistance Margaretta. Jack.O

[Margaretta]

Dear Jack,
I'm absolutely flabberghasted by your amazing, helpful and very time-consuming post. Brilliant. It has made clear to everyone who is looking to buy there (and a lot of people are) what may be safe and unsafe.
Many people invest their retirement savings in their holiday home or retirement dwelling and posts like this help them to avoid losing all that hard-earned money.
It also means that the area is not all 'tarred with the same brush'. We have walked and driven around there many times and the coastline is enchanting, the view to the mountains fabulous, the reception warm in the bars, cafes and restaurants and there are some delightful bungalows and apartments. Personally I love the rocky ruggedness of the environment and it's very sad when junk and abandoned buildings ruin it.
I'm keeping it short; you've said it all so eloquently. Thank you so very much.

[AL JAY]

4 of us visited El Guantanamo last Monday just to see it for ourselves, We parked up and everything Jack had described was spot on,from the outside it resembles a "young offenders correctional facilty" with railings and unsafe looking wooden walkways.
We drove around to the other side and just walked in ,we were flabbergasted looking at the swimming pools that were full to the brim with stinking stagnant water and noticed a few apartments seemed to be occupied with squatters,it certainly is a blot on the landscape, im sure i spotted Colonel Gaddafi peeping from behind the blinds!!! We felt sorry for all the people that live with this monstrosoty on there doorstep. If only poor old Fred Dibnah was alive because it needs a dozen or so well placed sticks of TNT Dynamite strategically placed,preferably with Davies and his crew shackled to the rusty railings on "B block...and then KABOOOOOM!!! Sorted!!!

[Su1]

Thanks Jack for the information on Amarilla golf, very interesting and also reassuring becuase the property we bought is on your safe to buy list. We face onto the fairways leading to the Marina, look to the right is the marina and the left is Teide, the views never bore me!

As you are a superb mind of information, perhaps you know the answer to another querey? You mention the old commercial centre which is now home to numerous old cars and parts of cars. There are appears to be some sort of 'restoration' ( I use the term very loosely) or dismantaling of cars going on. Is this a legit busineess or they just squatting? Do you know who owns this and what the furture might be for this building? I'm sure the villa owners opposite and those in Augusta Park would like to see the building renovated and not used as a scrap yard!!
Thanks Jack for all your informative posts

[jack oakley]

Hiya Su, i regret to say that i do not know who owns that plot, it was offered for sale a few years ago by a well known property shop for 2 million euros,however it's not difficult to find out, go to the town hall at san miguel and ask to see the plan parcial of the Amarilla, show them the plot and they will tell you who owns it and that can then be confirmed by going th the land registary in San Isidro and obtain a copy deed and note-simply. I can tell you that town councils are fairly strict on correct usage of land, that plot is designated as a commercial centre and not a scrap yard so your community president can issue a denuncia and a townhall complaint insisting that it is cleaned up and those wrecks removed. There is a master Amarilla community committee made up of all the presidents of all the horizontal community's on the golf, they could also insist that it should be cleared. Jack.O

[atlantico]

for the original thread on the .com site, click here

http://www.tenerifeforum.com/tenerife-apartment-owners/37979-anyone-else-purchasing-el-barranco-development-amarilla-golf-tenerife.html

[alice in wonderland]

for the original thread on the .com site, click here

http://www.tenerifeforum.com/tenerife-apartment-owners/37979-anyone-else-purchasing-el-barranco-development-amarilla-golf-tenerife.html

Hello Mr Atlantico 2, i am a "newbie" and am very interested in this thread, your link does click on to the old? site but is automaticly redirected back to this one. Am i doing something wrong?. Alice

[alice in wonderland]

I have now found a way to view posts from the old forum, Al Jay's suggestion that using google and putting IS ANYONE ELSE PURCHASING EL BARRANCO AMARILLA GOLF in the search box does indeed take you to pages from the old site but you do have to select the little blue (cached) motif and not the initial search link this takes you to the final page in the thread from the 17th of May to the 25th of May. There was a couple of posts by (heckythump54) which were interesting, however having read all the posts here and some on the old site i get the impression that Mr Oakley has some sort of vendetta against Mr Davies? although,... if all posts are accurate ( and i have looked at two credit reference agency's to verify Mr Davies's and Your Place Abroads numerous liquidated limited companies) and they would appear so to be, i can't believe the authorities havn't thrown Mr Davies into Jail . Another thing that puzzles me is that Mr Oakley (and heckythump54 on the old forum), state that Mr Davies owes the community of the Amarilla golf FIFTY THOUSAND EUROS why hasn't the community president taken action to embago Mr Davies property as per the HORIZONTAL LEY PROPERTY ACT allows him so to do ?. Alice in Wonderland (ex magistrate...)

[jack oakley]

Goodmorning your worship, i am pleased your deliberations were mostly in my favour, in reference as to whether i have a personal vendetta against Mr Davies my answer is no. I view Mr Davies with same contempt as a "hoody" who knocks down an elderly infirm defenceless lady and robs her of her meagre pension so that that she can starve and he can enjoy a round of golf with his accomplices. I rest my case. Jack.O

[atlantico]

Hello Mr Atlantico 2, i am a "newbie" and am very interested in this thread, your link does click on to the old? site but is automaticly redirected back to this one. Am i doing something wrong?. Alice

click the 'stop' button to prevent the site from being re-directed to this one

[jack oakley]

I have now found a way to view posts from the old forum, Al Jay's suggestion that using google and putting IS ANYONE ELSE PURCHASING EL BARRANCO AMARILLA GOLF in the search box does indeed take you to pages from the old site but you do have to select the little blue (cached) motif and not the initial search link this takes you to the final page in the thread from the 17th of May to the 25th of May. There was a couple of posts by (heckythump54) which were interesting, however having read all the posts here and some on the old site i get the impression that Mr Oakley has some sort of vendetta against Mr Davies? although,... if all posts are accurate ( and i have looked at two credit reference agency's to verify Mr Davies's and Your Place Abroads numerous liquidated limited companies) and they would appear so to be, i can't believe the authorities havn't thrown Mr Davies into Jail . Another thing that puzzles me is that Mr Oakley (and heckythump54 on the old forum), state that Mr Davies owes the community of the Amarilla golf FIFTY THOUSAND EUROS why hasn't the community president taken action to embago Mr Davies property as per the HORIZONTAL LEY PROPERTY ACT allows him so to do ?. Alice in Wonderland (ex magistrate...)

I answered the first question in post #24, question 2,the reason why the community of Pebble Beach Village (not amarilla golf) is allowing Davies to evade paying his now SIXTY THOUSAND EURO DEBT, is that the administrators of P.B.V. (Wimpen) are too busy chasing and threatening to embago the property of a 70 year old widow in a timeshare development in the south of the island, she owes the grand sum of 700euros and is being hounded like a criminal. The likes of Davies and his gang are well versed in dodging and evading paying debts by forever bleating that they have no assets, but by opening and folding their miriad of limited company's they get away with writing off the millions they have taken and hidden somewhere, evading mainstream creditors and leaving hundreds of their victims penniless whilst they live in their big houses in the leafy cheshire countryside and drive to the golf clubs in their BMW's and RANGE ROVERS.
They have folded : Barranco Bar limited, Your Place Abroad limited, Your Place Abroad London limited, Your Place Abroad Egypt limited, Your Place Abroad Margareta limited, Your Place Abroad Sunset Living limited, Your Place Abroad Sunset Years limited, Redtin International limited and World Travel Corporation limited TO NAME A FEW.. They have recently taken on a new director to replace Adrian Benson who was uncerimoniously dumped last year after spending several years lying through his teeth that El Barranco was a safe and wonderfull place in which to buy, the new director is financial services advisor Martin Farnworth from Bolton Lancashire. Two years ago he along with Chris Davies, Jason Curtis, Peter Lowe, David livingstone, and Simon Ledbrook formed ANOTHER company called: Developments Abroad LLP.(limited liability partnership), and guess what ??? they went into liquidation on the 14th of June 2011, ( one week ago) however....they have registered YET ANOTHER new company now called FADALLIO limited, directors; Chris Davies, Peter Lowe, Simon Ledbrook, and Martin Farnworth. So all the creditors/victims of Davies and gang need to take legal action and to instigate an investigation as to where the scammed millions have gone and to prevent this dispicable mob of lowlife's from ripping off their next victims with their newly formed company FAIRWAY LIVING limited. When they relieved Wayne Rooney of 350,000,00 pounds it was half a weeks wages or a frantic couple of hours with a high charging prostitute, in other words small change to Wayne, but some of the hundreds of victims that have been relieved of 10, 30, or 50 thousand euros each, were elderly pensioners planning a well earned dream retirement in the sun, those dreams have become nightmare's because of the conniving incesant greed of Davies and his dispicable modus-operendi of waving glossy artist impression brochure's ( which he never paid for) of non exsistant developments, scamming deposits (calling them contractual investments) and then folding the companies. The one ...??? development he did actualy build (or throw-up) El Barranco, is such a stinking crumbling concrete mess lies almost abandoned but for a few squatters, a dozen or so rats, and a few million mosquito's that are breeding in the depths of black sludge in the remnants of the empty swimming pools. The reason why i question mark "the one" development is that i believe he has others that he is hiding from his creditors and his victims, if unlike El Barranco they are fit to live in he will probobly sell the whole developments on to a new developer to finish off and he will scarper to join his friend Michael Hone (he who did a runner with 26 million scammed from Royal Marbella victims) in south america or Ireland. Sick world we live in int it....Jack.O

[alice in wonderland]

I have now absorbed all the information submitted by Mr Oakley and have cross referenced numerous facts that upon first glance seemed quite unbelievable, however by using companies such as creditgate, bizzy.info and the Gazzette all the information is correct. It appears clear to me that Mr Davies and his associates believe they are operating above the law by hiding behind the facade of Limited company liabilities being written off by dissolving them once they have stripped the assets. I say they believe they are above the law,.it is my belief that they are not. If it can be proven that an individual or numerous individuals set up a limited company with the intention of dissolving it once it has been asset stripped, this is clear and deliberate deception and is a criminal offence. I do not think, given the reams of evidence which obviously exsists, it would be difficult to prove that he and his associates have set up those companies to deliberately dissolve them leaving a trail of creditors to which Davies, Lowe, Curtis, Ledbrook and Farnworth believe they are exempt from paying back the monies they took from them under false pretences. I am of the same opinion as Mr Oakley in that all the creditors (or victims) as Mr Oakley so colourfully calls them, should now contact the fraud squad to acertain whether or not they have a viable case. If it could be proven that assets have been hidden and are still in exsistance, the limited company facade will NOT be taken into consideration, if any assets exsist (such as hidden developments, building plots, or swiss bank accounts )and it can be proven that those assets were contributed to by monies handed over in contractual investments into the companies set up to be deliberately dissolved, those assets ALONG WITH PERSONAL ASSETS can be claimed by the creditors.
I applaud Mr Oakley for his tenacity in exposing the individuals behind this dispicable situation. Alice in Wonderland...

[jack oakley]

I have now absorbed all the information submitted by Mr Oakley and have cross referenced numerous facts that upon first glance seemed quite unbelievable, however by using companies such as creditgate, bizzy.info and the Gazzette all the information is correct. It appears clear to me that Mr Davies and his associates believe they are operating above the law by hiding behind the facade of Limited company liabilities being written off by dissolving them once they have stripped the assets. I say they believe they are above the law,.it is my belief that they are not. If it can be proven that an individual or numerous individuals set up a limited company with the intention of dissolving it once it has been asset stripped, this is clear and deliberate deception and is a criminal offence. I do not think, given the reams of evidence which obviously exsists, it would be difficult to prove that he and his associates have set up those companies to deliberately dissolve them leaving a trail of creditors to which Davies, Lowe, Curtis, Ledbrook and Farnworth believe they are exempt from paying back the monies they took from them under false pretences. I am of the same opinion as Mr Oakley in that all the creditors (or victims) as Mr Oakley so colourfully calls them, should now contact the fraud squad to acertain whether or not they have a viable case. If it could be proven that assets have been hidden and are still in exsistance, the limited company facade will NOT be taken into consideration, if any assets exsist (such as hidden developments, building plots, or swiss bank accounts )and it can be proven that those assets were contributed to by monies handed over in contractual investments into the companies set up to be deliberately dissolved, those assets ALONG WITH PERSONAL ASSETS can be claimed by the creditors.
I applaud Mr Oakley for his tenacity in exposing the individuals behind this dispicable situation. Alice in Wonderland...

I thankyou your ex-worship for your informative post. Latest update folks.. for all victims of YOUR PLACE ABROAD who were conned out of money and told that the con-artists had no assets, i can now inform you that DAVIES and his gang are now promoting their new company www.fairwayliving.co.uk .They are SPECIALISING in selling DISTRESSED PROPERTIES RECLAIMED BY THE BANKS in Tenerife and Spain. It looks like the money they scammed from the mass's of people whose dreams turned to nightmares has been stashed and they are using it to buy other developments that have ended up as abandoned rat-pits at a fraction of the original price. In simple terms they are now buying BACK from the banks dozens of their own and other distressed developments that were never finished or were of such disgracefull blots on the landscape (EL BARRANCO)...that no-one wanted or couldn't complete on and as a consiquence went bankrupt leaving hundreds of people heartbroken and skint. They are buying them back from the banks and selling them at 60% less than their advertised prices which is exactly what i predicted they were going to do in a letter to the Tenerife News in 2003. And ...guess what , most of the developments they are advertising in Spain were their ROYAL MARBELLA / ROYAL DUJA developments..such as the ALOHA ROYAL and the ROYAL MARBELLA SUITES.So they Do have assets and they DO HAVE MONEY FOLKS and their telephone number is 0044 (0)1614396955. If you are a victim of this gang of insidious lowlifes and get nowhere on that number then email your predicament to .. whistle@fsa.gov.uk So by liquidating all their miriad of limited companies they have written off the millions of euros they have scammed out of their victims and with the money scammed and stashed they are buying back their own developments that went bankrupt for a fraction of the initial cost and selling them as DISTRESSED PROPERTIES. :mad: i WOULD SUGGEST THEY PAY BACK THE HUNDREDS OF DISTRESSED VICTIMS that they have screwed life savings from as a gesture of goodwill before embarking on their new scam. If you can't get your money back from Davies & Mob, then get in touch with the AMBASSADOR OF YPAs new company FAIRWAY LIVING, he is non other than WORLD championship golfer LEE WESTWOOD. :eyebrows:Check out the linked feature from TODAYS GOLFER...
www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/Golf/News/Searchresults/April-08/Apr2-Westwood-London-Golf-Show
The article states that good old Lee has also bought an apartment on EL BARRANCO probobly next door to FREDDIE FLINTOFF'S, BOBBY ROBSONS', and SIR STEVE REDGRAVE'S... maybe Lee can use the filthy black muddy swimming pools for bunker practice :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:Jack.O

[princessmonika]

thank you for all that info-- i bought in augusta park-- very happy-- and a lovely complex--

[jack oakley]

thank you for all that info-- i bought in augusta park-- very happy-- and a lovely complex--

You are very welcome, Augusta Park is a well run and as you describe "a lovely complex" . It is MY OPINION that the Amarilla is a beautiful and spectacular location but as mentioned in my previous posts in this thread it has suffered greatly at the hands of a gang of cowboys who were assisted in their abhorent escapades by the previous administrators of Pebble Beach Village (Martus Pyre-The Abitbols) , two officials of the San Miguel Council and two ex-P.B.V. presidents. It is imperitive that these cowboys (Davies, Lowe and the other toe-rags who are associated with them) are not allowed to build a garden shed on the Amarilla ever again, hopefully they will get what they deserve, but until then vigilance must prevail. Jack.O

[jack oakley]

I thankyou your ex-worship for your informative post. Latest update folks.. for all victims of YOUR PLACE ABROAD who were conned out of money and told that the con-artists had no assets, i can now inform you that DAVIES and his gang are now promoting their new company www.fairwayliving.co.uk .They are SPECIALISING in selling DISTRESSED PROPERTIES RECLAIMED BY THE BANKS in Tenerife and Spain. It looks like the money they scammed from the mass's of people whose dreams turned to nightmares has been stashed and they are using it to buy other developments that have ended up as abandoned rat-pits at a fraction of the original price. In simple terms they are now buying BACK from the banks dozens of their own and other distressed developments that were never finished or were of such disgracefull blots on the landscape (EL BARRANCO)...that no-one wanted or couldn't complete on and as a consiquence went bankrupt leaving hundreds of people heartbroken and skint. They are buying them back from the banks and selling them at 60% less than their advertised prices which is exactly what i predicted they were going to do in a letter to the Tenerife News in 2003. And ...guess what , most of the developments they are advertising in Spain were their ROYAL MARBELLA / ROYAL DUJA developments..such as the ALOHA ROYAL and the ROYAL MARBELLA SUITES.So they Do have assets and they DO HAVE MONEY FOLKS and their telephone number is 0044 (0)1614396955. If you are a victim of this gang of insidious lowlifes and get nowhere on that number then email your predicament to .. whistle@fsa.gov.uk So by liquidating all their miriad of limited companies they have written off the millions of euros they have scammed out of their victims and with the money scammed and stashed they are buying back their own developments that went bankrupt for a fraction of the initial cost and selling them as DISTRESSED PROPERTIES. :mad: i WOULD SUGGEST THEY PAY BACK THE HUNDREDS OF DISTRESSED VICTIMS that they have screwed life savings from as a gesture of goodwill before embarking on their new scam. If you can't get your money back from Davies & Mob, then get in touch with the AMBASSADOR OF YPAs new company FAIRWAY LIVING, he is non other than WORLD championship golfer LEE WESTWOOD. :eyebrows:Check out the linked feature from TODAYS GOLFER...
www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/Golf/News/Searchresults/April-08/Apr2-Westwood-London-Golf-Show
The article states that good old Lee has also bought an apartment on EL BARRANCO probobly next door to FREDDIE FLINTOFF'S, BOBBY ROBSONS', and SIR STEVE REDGRAVE'S... maybe Lee can use the filthy black muddy swimming pools for bunker practice :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:Jack.O

Hello again folks, i have been contacted by a number of Chris Davies's victims from the El Barranco and other YOUR PLACE ABROAD scams, stating that the telephone number for his newly formed company FAIRWAY LIVINGs Ack Lane Bramhall Cheshire base is either not being answered or is being re-directed or unobtainable (as have the telephone numbers of his other 20 or so companies), leaving all the hundreds of YOUR PLACE ABROAD/FAIRWAY LIVING/ROYAL MARBELLA/DUJA............without a point of contact for any new updates as to their predicament. However the company's AMBASSADORS (head representitives of the company) LEE WESTWOOD and ANDREW FREDDIE FLINTOFF can be contacted via their management company INTERNATIONAL SPORTS MANAGEMENT www.sportism.net
email ism@sportism.net or snailmail to; Andrew (Chubby) Chandler, Cherry Tree Farm, Cherry Tree Lane,Rostherne CHESHIRE telephone 0044 (0) 1565832222. Both Lee Westwood and Flintoff have been? (and are still) being? handsomely paid to pursuade more victims to hand over their hard earned life savings to Davies and his gang by way of endorsing a heavily advertised testimonial campaign as to what a wonderfull company Your Place Abroad/Fairway Living is/was. If you have lost money as a result of Lee Westwood's or Freddie Flintoff's endorsement's of the company then instigate a claim against them for misleading advertising. It has become clear that Davies and his gang can't sell a lollypop without claiming that some great sporting celebrity has already bought one from them and is sucking on it merrily, if the celebrities involved were made to take responsibility for their misleading testimonials maybe they would think twice before allowing their names to be used as AMBASSADORS. Then lets see how long long it will be before FAIRWAY LIVING LIMITED chucks in the towel without a celebrity figurehead. Best of luck guys anything is worth a try. Jack.O

[alice in wonderland]

Dear Mr Oakley, if i were still 'sitting' i would find your attitude a little obnoxious, however your information has no doubt saved numerous prospective property purchasers from being releived of their life savings and a great deal of heartache.
You may be interested to know that my contacts at Uk Data have told me that on the 1st of July a "A FIRST NOTIFICATION OF STRIKE-OFF ACTION IN LONDON GAZETTE (section652). was served on Fairway Living Limited.
www.ukdata.com/company/06235534/FAIRWAY-LIVING-LIMITED hope that may be of interest to your readers or anyone who is contemplating dealing with Mr Davies and his associates. Alice in Wonderland.

[jack oakley]

Hello all, a little update.. If Chris- "next-week"-Davies owes you money he is quids-in at the moment as he is sponsering a golf tournement on the Amarilla Golf next saturday (the 23rd) twould appear(according to an advert in the canarian Weekly) he is in league with Oasis FM in promoting and sponsering the event.
He will obviously be promoting his newly registered and current operational company's ,FADALLIO LIMITED, FAIRWAY LIVING LIMITED and MARINA ESTATES, he has liquidated ALL his YOUR PLACE ABROAD LIMITED COMPANIES (having relieved hundreds of punters out of MILLIONS OF POUNDS). So no doubt he or a few of his cronies will be there at the Amarilla club house on saturday handing out leaflets in an attempt to rip off yet another glut of unsuspecting prospective property buyers with glossy visualisations of non-exsistant, or completed developments like, EL BARRANCO, that are so cheap and disgracefully constructed that a rat wouldn't want to squat in them. Davies now owes the residents of Pebble Beach Village sixty thousand euros in unpaid community fee's on THE BRIDGE commercial complex yet the administrators of PBV ( WIMPEN ) seem to be allowing him to not only get away without paying his community charge but to blatantly sponser golfing events right under the residents nose's after bleating that he has no money and no assets enforcing them to subsidise him whilst he and his mob laughs them. Are they all pi...ing in the same pot???. Jack.o

[jack oakley]

Hi Margaretta,i regret to say i am having difficulty uploading a map that would show you what you want to know, i will try to help by taking you on a written tour of the Amarilla.
Coming into the Amarilla on the new golf del sur approach road look directly to your right you will see a development of villas and town houses, they are rustic and chocolate in colour, this is Palm Ridge it is a first class development and safe to buy (as is most of the Amarilla now). continue in to the Amarilla and on your right is Augusta Park, this is a long established and well run complex and safe to buy. Continue to the T. junction and turn left toward the new marina, on your left is three blocks of apartments which are testiment to having a poorly run community this is Pinehurst, residents have been allowed to alter the balconies and athsetic frontage of the buildings losing the conformity required to keep a complex first class, because of this there are some very cheap apartments there and it is reasonably safe to buy so long as you use a good property agency.
To your right and opposite is an eyesore that was originaly to be a commercial centre, it is now derilict and home to 20 or so rusty scrap cars. Continue down toward the marina and you encounter a large roundabout, turn right, you now see the Amarilla in it's true glory, it is a spectacular and beautiful sight with golf greens to the right and golf greens to the left sweeping down to the new marina (home to 40million euros worth of boats), continue 200metres and on your far right is a small complex of lovely rustic villas called Island Villas, safe to buy. Directly on your right is a large whitewashed complex called Scorpio, this complex was a victim of the original developers of the Amarilla going bankrupt, most of the apartments were claimed by the banks and many disputes surrounded the actual ownership, some original owners moved in having paid the developer but the developer didn;t pay the bank so the bank claimed ownership,the banks desperate to collect some sort of revenue rented them out and didn't care who they rented them to, some one bed apartments were notorious for having 6 or 7 youths living in them, it was a very messy situation but after a 20year long battle it has now been resolved so using a good property agent it is now safe to buy. Look to your left and you will see a long line of whitewashed apartments that go right down to the sea and marina, these are Gemini, Aquarius, and Leo, turn left and follow these apartments which will be on your left, they are all lovely and safe to buy. Half way down this road look to your right and you will see a new complex the ROYAL MARINA GOLF, this was originaly promoted and supposedly owned by Michael Hone and the Royal Marbella Group along with Y.P.A. Davies and Lowe??, they look to be very nice apartments but i have heard there are problems with purchasers not being able to complete and dispite being finished two years ago many apartments remain empty, this does not surprise me and i would advise anyone contemplating purchasing there to tread VERY VERY CAREFULLY. Directly in front of the R.M.G. is a mysterious development that looks almost complete yet has no sales office nor is it being advertised anywhere, it is though whoever does own it is trying to keep it secret, (Davies's employee Philip Wright has been overseeing the building and Brues and Fernandez who constructed El Barranco has built it) read into that what you will but if Davies has or has had anything whatsoever to do with it then do not go near it with a cattle-prod. Continue down to the sea and skirting the sea front and marina is Libra, established and safe to buy. Follow the road behind Libra running parallell to the sea front turn right and this brings you back to the main Amarilla road, turn left and you will start to approach pebble beach village, on your right is a large whitewashed moorish complex called R.C.I. Fairways, this is a timeshare resort but there are some freehold apartments for sale there, safe to buy. To your left is The Bridge commercial centre housing a few bars a few restaurants a supermarket a takeway and a laundry, and the Terrace Bar, directly behind the Bridge is the monolythic disgracefull scab on the landscape EL BARRANCO. If you go down the dip and turn left at the triangular traffic island you now head back toward to sea, on your right is the lovely whitewashed complex called Aries which skirts the road and after Aries bar continues down to the sea as Virgo, these properties are lovely well established and safe to buy. On your left is a 100 metre long 90 foot high mess of rusty iron bars and fire escapes salvaged from an abandoned afganistani prison, THIS IS EL BARRANCO, you won't need any advise whether to buy there or not the concrete and rusty iron mess speaks for itself however it is TOTALY UNSAFE TO BUY. Continue down to the sea front and on your left is a continuation of El Barranco called Sun Bay Villas, this like el barranco looks nothing like the lovely whitewashed properties in pebble beach village, it is a bland looking grey mass of concrete, athseticly unpleasant but i beleive it is safe to buy (unless the spanish coastal protection agency decide that it is too near the sea!!!). Turn round at the bottom and come back up Aries avenue, El Barranco (quantanamo as al jay calls it) is on your right, drive alongside the rusty iron bars and continue to the end by the terrace bar, turn left and directly right toward the 9th hole bar, continue up the hill and you will come tothe Mirador del golf complex, it is an odd looking complex of linked townhouses looking like it's from another planet it's saving grace is that it is white, but it is safe to buy. Continue round and you will come to a pinkish sort of urbanisation called Palm Gardens, it looks very nice and is a first class complex. Crossley Morphet and Lennox are selling it but,.. they were one of the very few estate agents who openly tried to sell El Barranco!, read into that what you will but i beleive they are a reputable agency and Palm Gardens is safe to buy. There is one more danger plot that i feel i should mention and that is adjascent to but below Palm Gardens, it is as yet unbuilt but in 2003 messer's Hone, Davies and Lowe were boasting that they were going to put a development there called THE ROYAL AMARILLA GOLF, they tried to con Sir Geoff Hurst into investing in it and he was about to do so before the truth emerged about the Hone Davies gang, he pulled out and the plot has remained undeveloped but if it should suddenly be advertised as being developed STAY WELL CLEAR. Purchase through a reputable estate agency and your dreams will become reality, DO NOT purchase anything from MARINA ESTATES at pebble bridge, this agency is owned by Davies, the frightening thing about this set-up is if you peruse their website
www.directgolfrealestate.com and scroll to BUYING GUIDE INDEX, a subsection of that page is IS IT SAFE.. if you read that section it states that all moneys from all transactions will be processed through their U.K. company, which will either be TAURUS HOLDINGS , FAIRWAY LIVING LIMITED or another micky-mouse company Davies has registered, given his proven history of dissolving, liquidating and the striking off of his miriad of limited companies, it would be folly to hand over 10cents for him to process on your behalf. Jack.O

Hello again my friends, at the bottom of this post (posted on the 6th June) i warned against the danger of using MARINA ESTATES to either buy or sell any property anywhere because it is owned by CHRISTOPHER JOHN DAVIES, i put a link to the MARINA ESTATES website so you could read for yourself the utter garbage written in the IS IT SAFE clause. Guess what?? that website has now been "liquidated" and has now re-emerged as www.marinaestatestenerife.com, if you are in any doubt as to who own's it click on worldwide sales and you will be directed to YOUR PLACE ABROAD . com Yes folks YOUR PLACE ABROAD..we all know every YOUR PLACE ABROAD LIMITED company owned by Davies has been liquidated/dissolved/or struck off leaving hundreds of heartbroken prospective property buyers destitute with no chance of getting a single cent Davies scammed out of them back so clearly there has been a ****-up and when rectified it will probobly take you to his FAIRWAYS LIVING SITE, recently made active to sell DISTRESSED DEVELOPMENTS in Spain and Tenerife. These distressed developments are the one's that hundreds of punters could'nt occupy once completed because they had either land debts on them or they were illegaly built by bunging bent mayors, or they were absolute junk. Most of the one's he is advertising were slung up by the notorious ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP if you wish to know anything about them then "google royal marbella group sir geoff hurst" you will be taken to a miriad of facts about the ROYAL MARBELLA GROUPs president Michael Hone. Chris Davies was CHIEF EXCECUTIVE of the Royal.Marbella.Group. So having ripped off all the original punters OUT OF TWENTY SIX MILLION from R.M.G and Y.P.A .they have bankrupted/ liquidated/or dissolved the companies and the developments, and are now buying them back from the banks (who don't want them) for ridiculously low prices and they are SELLING THEM ON AGAIN. Which is why Davies is sponsering the Golf Tourniment on the Amarilla this weekend to launch his latest attempt of relieving prospective buyers out of another load of millions. With reference to MARINA ESTATES and the launch of it's new website listed above Davies has registered yet another website
www.marinaestatespropertysales.com the same garbage about TRUST and IS IT SAFE is still being spewed out under the purchasing section. DO NOT USE MARINA ESTATES TO SELL OR BUY and stay well clear of FAIRWAY LIVING LIMITED. Jack. O

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Hello All, my apologies if my recent posts are repeatative but there is a reason, we all know that the previous forum was popular and well read, and there is a long hill to climb before this one can match it. I know that viewers and members were lost, some have found their way here, some have chosen to view and contribute to other forums and have left us (maybe for good maybe not), but the "guys" who have worked so hard to keep this one afloat deserve a medal. That said the thread about El Barranco, Your Place Abroad, The Royal Marbella Group, Christopher John Davies and Michael Hone registered thirty six thousand views before it closed. The amount of views accrued enabled the information in them to get to the top of the 'search engines'. Now if you google "el barranco tenerife" caches from the old forum are there for all to see so anyone wishing to glean information on a project or company these posts are up there with the companies profiles and advertisements. The afore mentioned con-men have scammed millions, Davies has made a proffession of registering multitudes of limited companies taking deposits from punters, obtaining services from web designers, builders ect ect, not paying them or any creditors, shelving the millions taken and then folding the companies. He then bleats that he has no money and no assets, he is a very clever con-man, his partner Michael Hone pocketed twenty six million and has done a bunk Davies is still operating and is about to launch yet another several companies FADALLIO LIMITED FAIRWAYS LIVING LIMITED and MARINA ESTATES to dupe yet another group of unfortunate punters out of thousands of pounds. If these posts are out on the search engines they may just prevent some retired couple from losing their life savings. Apologies once again. Jack.O

[alice in wonderland]

I have read the full court report on the Sir Geoff Hurst case against THE ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP and noted that Sir Geoff was duped out of two million euros, although he won the case he received not one cent back (the judge's summing up can be found by searching (google) Sir Geoff Hurst Royal Marbella Group Court Case. The missing millions have never been found, i also read that Mr Christopher Davies claimed he was not officialy a part of THE ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP and did not proffit from the fiasco, therefore the link below might prove of interest.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060101194524/http://www.royalmarbellagroup.com/corp-int/corp-int.htm
The web page is corporate information on the Royal marbella Group and shows photographs of Michael Hone (president) Chris Davies (chief executive officer) and Mrs Hone (managing director). So Mr Davies was there in the thick of it after all.
I am appauled that he is being allowed to continue operating. Alice in Wonderland

[jack oakley]

A full page in this weeks Canarian Weekly is dedicated to this weekend's Golf Tournement financialy sponsered by Chris Davies's estate agency MARINA ESTATES on the Amarilla Golf. Whislt Davies's catastrophic development EL BARRANCO lies abandoned with it's filthy black slimed swimming pools now a breading ground for mosquito's Davies's director of lies Adi Benson, will be playing in the tournement as part of Marina Estates Team. For all those who remember the El Barranco thread on the previous forum Adi (Adrian) Benson was exposed as being a habitual liar in a futile attempt of trying to pursuade confused and bewildered El Barranco victims into getting them to complete final payments on their prospective purchase's despite a multi-million euro land debt outstanding which anyone finalising would have been part liable for, (which is why the place still lie's derilict). Benson stated on the TENERIFE FORUM in 2009 that the development was 68% sold out with the other 32% finalising within weeks. Benson was a director of YOUR PLACE ABROAD LTD for 8years until it was liquidated recently. It is an absolute travesty and a kick in the face for all the victims of El Barranco that instead of making some attempt to compensate them with the money Davies clearly has stashed somewhere that Benson will be 'back-slapping' along with all the other good old boys whilst some of El Barranco's and YOUR PLACE ABROAD'S victims struggle along on meagre pensions because their life savings have dissapeared. Happy Golfing guy's. Jack.O

[Balcony]

I haven't read everything here but gest the gist. Has anyone actually taken this to the authorites?

[jack oakley]

I haven't read everything here but gest the gist. Has anyone actually taken this to the authorites?

The Authorities see it as one set of set of britts ripping off another set of britts and are therefore not interested. El barranco is a monolythic eyesore, the design broke every building regulation in the Amarilla Pebble Beach Village statutes, Davies blatantly lied to the residents of Pebble Beach Village when he applied for the required permission to build the concrete and rusty iron mess that desicrates the centre of P.B.V. The residing mayor of San Miguel allowed Davies and his gang to erect it after a multi-million euro payment was paid to gain the building licence. The fiasco stinks of greed and blatant graft.
Adi and his mates will have a good back-slapping laugh about it in the Terrace Bar after the tournement. Jack.O

[jack oakley]

Hi All, i have had numerous phone calls and emails regarding the thread ;
is anyone else purchasing el barranco amarilla golf.
As most of us know it was a highly emotive thread compulsing 35,000 views before the old forum went down. Many victims of the scam looked to that thread for any new information that was vital to them. It would be great if the old thread were to re-emerge with it's 300 plus post's if it is lost forever then it would be pertinant to re-issue the main 'jist' of the thread.
Briefly a gang of unethical and unscrupulous individuals from three different companies formed an alliance using the modus operendi of trawling sportsmens dinners, golf pro-am days, and property abroad purchase fairs to distribute leaflets and brochure's containing computer visualisations of non-exsistant developments. The companies behind the scam were The Royal Marbella Group (Michael Hone and Mark Cordner), Your Place Abroad Ltd ( Chris Davies, Andrew Davies ,Jason Curtis and Adrian Benson ). With their visualisations and promises of free penthouses they 'hooked in' numerous high profile sportsmen to act as media figureheads to endorse the unplanned developments making it much easier to 'con' hundreds of victims into parting with millions of pounds in deposits for what they thought would be dream homes in the sun. Sir Geoff Hurst, Michael Vaughan, Lee Westwood, Steve Redgrave and Andrew Flintoff were duped into allowing their names to be used as 'Ambassidors of the various unplanned and unbuilt developments and with their 'testimonials' punters lined up like lemmings to part with their deposits or CONTRACTUAL INVESTMENTS in the various companies. Chris Davies (YPA) also formed an alliance with Peter Reginald Lowe, (Peter Lowe Construction LTD ) and they started several projects of their own, one in the name of Taurus Project SL and Taurus Holdings Limited, that project was EL BARRANCO on the Amarilla Golf. I shall post the full story of El Barranco in this thread if the .com one is lost (hopefully it won't be) Jack. O
please try, http://old.tenerifeforum.com/showthread.php?t=37979

Thank you to Admin for getting back all the posts from the original thread, click the link;
http://old.tenerifeforum.com/showthread.php?t=37979 post 12# was made two years ago by Davies's director of lies Adi Benson, he now runs MARINA ESTATES. The true history was my post 28#.
Thanks once again Admin. Jack.O

[jack oakley]

El Barranco, latest update, There is very little to report other than the disgracefull structure is crumbling from the foundations upwards, the iron bars are rotting with rust and the flower and plant trailers which adorned the rusty fire escape walkways have withered and died because the water supply to them has been turned off. There are one or two residents still being allowed to squat there whilst Davies and his mob waits for the time to run out for his victims to claim any money back. Meanwhile the banks who now own the abomination have come to terms with the fact that no-one with a modicom of intelligence would consider paying 20quid for the whole rat-pit due to the untenable cost in trying to put half right what is drasticly wrong with the monstrousity. Once Davies's victims wake up and realise they are not going to get one cent back it will be too late for them to instigatea "class legal action", and once all debts have been written off he will buy it back from the bank for next to nothing and re-sell the rat-pit as a distressed bank re-possession for a ridicoulously low price.
www.myspace.com/video/rid/110584424 Jack O

[rosemary]

I have read the full court report on the Sir Geoff Hurst case against THE ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP and noted that Sir Geoff was duped out of two million euros, although he won the case he received not one cent back (the judge's summing up can be found by searching (google) Sir Geoff Hurst Royal Marbella Group Court Case. The missing millions have never been found, i also read that Mr Christopher Davies claimed he was not officialy a part of THE ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP and did not proffit from the fiasco, therefore the link below might prove of interest.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060101194524/http://www.royalmarbellagroup.com/corp-int/corp-int.htm
The web page is corporate information on the Royal marbella Group and shows photographs of Michael Hone (president) Chris Davies (chief executive officer) and Mrs Hone (managing director). So Mr Davies was there in the thick of it after all.
I am appauled that he is being allowed to continue operating. Alice in Wonderland

Alice thankyou, I would dearly love to see a photo of Mr Davies and his cronies but this link is taking all afternoon and i cannot get any joy from it. Is it just me or are others finding it difficult?

Added after 29 minutes:

Jack thankyou! Riveting reading and excellent research. I read that you make TV documentaries - can you update us new readers with some of your background? This partner who "disappeared" with millions, Hone? - could it be that he probably is on a yacht somewhere in the Caribbean and no doubt still in touch???

[jack oakley]

Hi Rosemary, i am in South Africa at present and will answer you questions with better particulars soon, for now try this link. http://web.archive.org/web/20060101194524/http://www.royalmarbellagroup.com/corp-int/corp-int.htm
Jack.O
PS i have just tried this link and for some reason it will not work, the forum shortens the link for some reason.
It doe take you to the "waybackmachine" but won't load the page, i will print the page and upload it as a JPEG

[jack oakley]

Alice thankyou, I would dearly love to see a photo of Mr Davies and his cronies but this link is taking all afternoon and i cannot get any joy from it. Is it just me or are others finding it difficult?

Added after 29 minutes:

Jack thankyou! Riveting reading and excellent research. I read that you make TV documentaries - can you update us new readers with some of your background? This partner who "disappeared" with millions, Hone? - could it be that he probably is on a yacht somewhere in the Caribbean and no doubt still in touch???

Hello Again Rosemary (and forum friends), Thankyou for your kind comments, in reference to your questions about Michael Hone..i don't think he is pulling Davies's strings, due to the coniving, calculated and dispicable manor in which Davies registers, uses, then folds his limited companies ensuring no-one he scams can reclaim a penny it is doubtfull he needs advise on conning victims from anyone, even Hone who is very likely in Panama or Ireland. Back to the Royal marbella rogues gallery links on the 'wayback machine' , the forum's software shortens direct links and the one in question is a very long one and is imperritive that every dot and space is followed. However i have been in contact with the administrator of the www.myspace.com/pebblebeachowners site and she has uploaded 2 jpeg pages of the info you would like to see..ie: a mug-shot of Davies in his role as CHIEF EXCECUTIVE OFFICER of the Royal Marbella Group, (for anyone who is in any doubt as to what they do/have done, google..Sir Geoff Hurst Royal Marbella Group..) Davies's new business's are www.fairwaysliving.com , Fadallio limited, and Marina Estates at pebble bridge on the Amarilla. Bye for now Jack.O

Added after 14 minutes:

Hello yet again, i have just tried to edit my previous post as i posted FAIRWAYS living dot com.It won't allow me to edit for some reason..... it should have been
www.fairwayliving.co.uk sorry guys

[rosemary]

Thankyou Jack. Good to know what people look like!

Added after 7 minutes:

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_3500.shtml

Just a coincidence of course!

[jack oakley]

PS, If this direct link doesn,t work go to www.myspace.com/pebblebeachowners and select videos, there is one of what Pebble Beach Village used to look like before Davies and his mob desicrated the village with El Barranco and the damning reality of the rat pit and it,s rotting foundations. Be patient though as numerous people are trying to view it and it may sometimes be slow to load.

Added after 7 minutes:

The above post was meant to be an edit to post 40, for some reason the edit facility is malfunctioning and not allowing a true edit, sorry guys. Jack.O

[jack oakley]

Good Morning Members and visitors, I am currently in the Cayman lslands poking my nose where it isn't wanted???.
I have nothing to report regarding The El Barranco scam other than to say that the situation remains much the same;
victims can't get their money back despite continued bleating of promised new investers by the king of bull---- Chris Davies. Victims who were promised they would be able to "flip" and sell on can't because the place is a catastrophic disgrace, and no new buyers can be found because a rat wouldn't want to own a cell there. All in all it is a bloody mess. Christopher John Davies however being a director of; EZI HEAT LTD now dissolved, YPA MARGERETA LTD now dissolved, COSTA LEISURE LTD now dissolved, YPA LONDON LT, now dissolved, EL BARRANCO BAR LTD now dissolved, YPA EGYPT LTD now dissoved, BUSINESS SYSTEMS ANALYSIS LTD now dissolved, WORLD TRAVEL CORORATION LTD now dissolved, PANGBOURNE PROPERTIES now dissolved, HILLGATE FINANCIAL SERVICES now dissolved, ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP (CEO) now bankrupt and guilty of fraud, REDTIN INTERNATIONAL now in liquidation, TAURUS DEVELOPMENTS now in administration, LA TAJA DEL PORTACHUELO SL LTD now dissolved, DEVELOPMENTS ABROAD LTD now dissolved, FAIRWAYS LIVING LTD now dormant, YOUR PLACE ABROAD LTD now in liquidation.....the list goes on and on.. is now creating a profile for himself as ----wait for this--- A MERCHANT BANKER, yes folks Merchant with an M not a W.
see, www.forum.reserve-bank.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=860 he quotes in his forum avatar that he is CHIEF EXCECUTIVE OFFICER of FADALLIO LTD, who incidentaly have no assets yet they are supposed to be FINANCIAL ADVISERS...i somehow feel another major scam is brewing somewhere??. Davie still owns MARINA ESTATES and has installed YPA's ex-director of lies ADI BENSON as manager, needless to say i (in my own opinion to which i am entitled) would not buy or sell a dead parrot with 'em. Keep smiling, Jack O (the count of monte-bonko in the province of scamnasty).

[cheery]

Just to show that it isn't only Tenerife which has sharks preying on people's dreams;

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-end-hell-paradise/20111016

[Loaded]

What's a Werchant Banker?? Lol

[jack oakley]

Most humble apologies guys the edit facility on the forum has changed in that you cannot rectify spelling mistakes as before, i had of course meant BANKER with W and not a 'B'. however it gives me the chance to point out Davies's newly registered title of MERCHANT BANKER should be re-classified on the merchant bankers forum as "Bull ---t Merchant and Banker (with a W)":jumping: Jack.O

[jack oakley]

Hi guys, a little update on CHRISTOPHER JOHN DAVIES's new property sales company www.fairwayliving.co.uk (this is the company he has set up to re-sell the developments he has already taken millions in investment deposits on whilst he was CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP, then told his victims they could not complete their purchases and their money had gone with no chance of getting it back). I note that the first on the list of the "distressed" property's he is selling for 40% less than official valuation (whatever that means) is the ALOHA ROYAL in Marbella, this is the development that Sir Geoff Hurst lost an initial £600,000-00 on. Sir Geoff was solicited by Davies and Michael Hone in 2003 and in return for a 3 year contract to promote THE ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP'S developments as "image ambassador" he was promised a freehold penthouse in the complex, (ringing any bells el barranco victims, does Freddie Flintoff come to mind?) he was also pursuaded to buy a further five properties in the complex but was asked to pay "up-front" for those. When the complex was completed Sir Geoff tried to gain access to his purchases but was told the freehold deeds and rights to occupy had been mysteriously lost or destroyed and all moneys that were promised to have been placed in a separate client accounts with bank guarantees had disappeared. The result was that Sir Geoff along with numerous other victims were told that their investments were worthless and the complex had been re-sold to an "anonimous"? developer. In 2010 Sir Geoff won his case against the ROYAL MARBELLA GROUP of which Davies was CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER (the more it is mentioned the higher up the google search it goes), but he did not get a cent back and could not claim ownership of his properties as it could not be proven at that time who actualy now owned them, one year on and CHRISTOPHER JOHN DAVIES is now selling them!, along with all the other ROYAL MARBELLA DEVELOPMENTS that went the same way. He has a place on his website reserved for El barranco once the few who are squatting there (some in the belief they have actualy completed) are evicted, and all his other victims finaly realise that they, like Sir Geoff, have been "had". Jack.O

[karinagal]

Do you think that he would be successful in getting the 'owners in residence' in the Barranco evicted? Is there any possibility that they would be successful in gaining the right to stay?

Personally I would love to see the eyesore ripped down, but not if it means those poor people end up even deeper in debt and misery thanks to these toe rags....

[marbro8]

Do you think that he would be successful in getting the 'owners in residence' in the Barranco evicted? Is there any possibility that they would be successful in gaining the right to stay?

Personally I would love to see the eyesore ripped down, but not if it means those poor people end up even deeper in debt and misery thanks to these toe rags....it's a pity no one has ever seen any of them in a bar in tenerife and knocked their lights out:redcard: in fact someone should print copies of their pictures and put them up in all the bars on the island like wanted posters so that they would never have a chance of going out to enjoy a night with their ill gotten gains:twak:

[Tom & Sharon]

it's a pity no one has ever seen any of them in a bar in tenerife and knocked their lights out:redcard: in fact someone should print copies of their pictures and put them up in all the bars on the island like wanted posters so that they would never have a chance of going out to enjoy a night with their ill gotten gains:twak:

Just pop into the bar at the end of the road, and you'll find them.................................

[marbro8]

Just pop into the bar at the end of the road, and you'll find them.................................you mean they have ripped off all those people and have the gaul to drink in and around the same area? well they are either brave or brazen, or maybe they have that much money they can afford bodyguards?

[jack oakley]

Do you think that he would be successful in getting the 'owners in residence' in the Barranco evicted? Is there any possibility that they would be successful in gaining the right to stay?
Personally I would love to see the eyesore ripped down, but not if it means those poor people end up even deeper in debt and misery thanks to these toe rags....

I don't think there is anyone that would not agree that the eyesore needs ripping down and that may be the eventual outcome, but as for the unfortunate victims who have invested or have taken partial residence there the banks will have no mercy, they don't differenciate between prince or porper. That said some of the people living there are on Davies's payroll, the others have chosen to listen to the insidious lies Davies and and his cronies have been spewing out instead of facing reality. The place is bankrupt from top to bottom, the land it sits on is worth more than the catastrophic mess that desicrates the village and no new buyers can be found that are bewildered enough to want to buy a dustbin there. So if by some miracle the bank said "ok guys you can live there without completing and we will write off the ten million euro morgage on the land", they would still be in the s--t because the community cannot function with so few residents. They need electricity and water, they are currently "getting" their water from the village community garden water pipes as are the shops and and bars in Davies's commercial centre the Bridge, the whole caboodle, including some of the Bridge locals are "getting" their water from the Pebble Beach Village garden watering taps adjascent to the telephone boxes at the top of the eyesore's car park ramp (ski-slope) opposite Aries. I feel sorry for the victims caught up in the fiasco, they were taken in by lies and smoothtalk by heartless insidious individuals who through blatant greed and graft have created this nightmare. The sick truth is that they are still doing it and will continue to do so, Adi Benson claimed he was only parroting what he had been told to say by Davies and that in 1998 he been employed to help finalise purchases in El Barranco, this again was lies he had been a director of Davies's now liquidated company YOUR PLACE ABROAD for years knowing too well what was transpiring, now he is employed as manager of Davies's estate agency MARINA ESTATES, he was back-slapping and playing golf with many other Amarilla residents not long ago and yes you are right Bob and Sharon, he drinks in the Terrace Bar.What a mob!!. Jack.O

Added after 15 minutes:

sorry guys Benson was supposedly employed by Davies in 2008 not 1998, the new editing facility is infuriating!!.

[jack oakley]

Hi Guys, not a great deal to report about the hell hole El Barranco other than the place is now totaly deserted, the few victims who were allowed to take residence without legaly completing seem to have disappeared. The gardens are scorched and dying to to the lack of water and the pools are cracked and decayed and can never be used again after 4 years of lying empty. Phillip Wright was seen last week closing all the rusty access doors and locking up the whole complex, so it looks like Davies is clearing the place out so that the banks can take possesion, he then gets to buy back the whole place for peanuts?.
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Added after 5 minutes:

Sorry again guys the edit facility is absolutly infuriating, i have tried to post a link to a you tube video called
el barranco resort tenerife the reality , but the link dont work and i can't edit the post to make it work, the video can be viewed by going to www.myspace.com/pebblebeachowners it is a better quality one than previously posted. A very frustrated Jack.O:mad:

[alice in wonderland]

You need a little patience Jack, i have found the video you tried to link to and can understand why the link is difficult, it is i believe due to the youtube identity number, the "casing upper and lower" is confusing however if you google youtube el barranco resort tenerife the reality.avi that should take you to the page, interestingly (which is why i believe you selected that link and not the PBV owners link) is that the search also brings up Davies's version of an el barranco video which although was made after the eyesore was completed the majority of the video is made up of computer enhanced graphics and not the real thing. The updated version of "el barranco resort tenerife the reality.avi" is much better than the one posted a few weeks ago and i love the soundtrack THE ROAD TO HELL which is so apt, very clever whoever made it. Alice

[jack oakley]

Members Friends and Visitors of the Forum, in October this year i received a private email in my forum inbox, it came from someone in the U.S.A. who claimed he was being 'scammed' by a merchant banking investment company which had numerous bases, one in the Cayman Islands, one in Panama, one in New York and one in Marbella. The person told me the company is called Bronte Investments[B] headed by an individual calling himself JOHN GLADSTONE who's official title is 'Chief Executive Officer' of the company, what has this got to do with El Barranco ? you may ask. The person claimed that Bronte Investments (www.bronteinvestments.com) was a company set up to carry out a BILLION DOLLAR investment scam and was in collusion with several other registered limited companies one of which was called FADALLIO LTD. He claimed he had been ripped off for $78,000-00 that he had paid in up-front fee's for a merchant banking loan he never received. In desperation he searched the 'web' looking for information on the mob who had scammed him and due to the popularity of the Tenerife Forum's presence in major search engines he came across this thread which i am pleased to say is at the top of GOOGLE'S engine if either FADALLIO or CHRIS DAVIES YOUR PLACE ABROAD is searched for. I reported that Davies had formed Fadallio Ltd along with Jason Curtis and Martin Farnworth in this thread, at the time i posted that information i did not know why they formed the company but by taking account of Davies's record of registering and liquidating his miriad of limited companies i had suspected there was skullduggery afoot. When i further discovered that Davies had created an on-line profile for himself as a merchant banker alarm bells started ringing and i then suspected that a scam far bigger than El Barranco was brewing. The person who emailed me asked me for information that i had researched on Davies and his associates but asked me not to reveal anything he had told me because an international investigation was in proccess, however he was concerned that other people may get ripped off if nothing was done to prevent it. The problem is that the media are not interested in preventing scams from happening because that is not news, they are only interested in printing stories about people who have BEEN ripped off, they take great joy in reporting that an elderly retired couple have been relieved of their life savings because some scum-bag developer has sold them a non-existant or uninhabitable retirement dream home in the sun, that is NEWS, so the forum has been invaluable as i know that a few prospective purchasers did read, and did take notice of this thread. My reason for releasing this information to you now is that the international investigation is no longer secret as the whole scam has now been exposed and is in the public domain, the details can be found by 'googling' John Gladstone Bronte investments or go to [B]www.scambook.com/report/view/43826/John-Gladstone,-John-Doust,-Humberto-Otero,-Niels-Brundbjerg Fadallio ltd (chief executive officer Chris Davies) is named as a co-conspiritor and Jason Curtis is named as fadallio's contact . For legal purposes all information contained in this post is openly published worldwide and is in the public domain, i write as usual without predjudice. Jack. O

[jack oakley]

Hi Guys, happy new year to you all, it's 2012 and i am pleased to say that this thread is attracting new readers daily, 35,000 on the old forum and almost 11,000 on this one. El Barranco was advertised by Davies and his mob as being completed and holding habitation licences in November 2007. Your Place Abroad's director of lies Adrian (Adi ) Benson (now manager of Marina estates Pebble Bridge) did his level best to" pursuade" El barranco victims into stumping up the full balance and complete their "cell" purchases by using Taurus's (Davies and Lowe's) own lawyer. This or the OLD FORUM was used as a platform by these insidious liars to try convince victims that all was well with El barranco and some victims were actualy allowed to occupy apartments having only paid 40% in deposits (contractual payments). Some of those victims posted on the OLD FORUM that they had in fact completed and were in possession of legal deeds, this has all proven to be lies and here we are 4years later and the hell-hole is crummbling from the bottom up. Davies's victims have now realised that they have been scammed and that they have lost most if not all of their money, Davies is sitting pretty in his Ack Lane headquarters in Bramhall having a good laugh knowing that by liquidating his limited companies he is untouchable. HOWEVER by searching the on-line archives of the home of bankruptcy issue orders THE LONDON GAZETTE,
it would appear that Christopher John Davies of 17 Brooklands Road Hazel Grove Stockport Cheshire, was declared personaly bankrupt on the 15th of May 1995. It is illegal and a criminal offence to be a director of any limited company once declared an official bankrupt, so how has he got away with registering a multitude of limited companies, scamming millions out of a line of victims that if they all held hands they would span the great wall of China?. without being brought to book, (or has he??). Jack.O

[alice in wonderland]

Hi Jack, (hope you don't meet anyone on an airplane who knows you), your post regarding the international banking scam in which Davies's company FADALLIO is alleged to be a conspiritor to is very interesting, i have found several more sites which provide explicit information as to the details of the scam and how it is being played out, (all can be found by googling Bronte investments Fadallio fraud). Your last post was interesting in the declaration that Davies was made bankrupt in 1995, this should have prevented him from being a director of any limited company by law. Maybe he was under the misapprehension that there is a time limit of 5years on the ban? there is not, so if that information is correct and i believe it is (i have searched the archive of the London-Gazette and can confirm that it was reported and published in June 1995) then Davies is indeed in breech of bankrupcy law. One other thing that may be of interest to the victims of El Barranco, their deposits (contractual payments) were taken by Taurus project S.L. this was a tangent company of TAURUS HOLDINGS LTD a uk based company. In El Barranco's advertising pages a major selling point was that El Barranco (Taurus) was indeed a U.K. company indicating that prospective purchasers deposits/payments were safe, therefore Taurus Holdings limited should be accountable for refunding on broken contracts. Taurus Holdings is still an active company and they have just filed their latest accounts up to the 4th of december 2011.( information provided by UKDATA.com)
If anyone is interested their head office is; Taurus Holdings (Peter Lowe and Christopher John Davies) 3A Old Hall Lane Mellor Stockport SK6 5PA. Alice.

[celine]

thankyou for your post..we are coming over soon for our holiday/ decision making trip in april as if we are moving out this year permantly..i have been avidly reading all posts for as much imformation as possible..i think the best bet is to take a long term let and do as you advice before parting with any cash for a home
..thankyou..regards celine

[jack oakley]

Hi Celene, thank you for your post and for reading my epilogues, i am pleased that you have gleaned some information from them and you are approaching your prospective purchase in Tenerife with caution. I am fairly sure that you will find what you are looking for as there are some lovely properties here and it is as good a time as any to consider buying. You are right to rent before you commit to buy and during that time you will be able to assess who you will be comfortable dealing with. There are regretfully quite a few con-artists on Tenerife, the cowboys named in this thread take some beating, but the majority of people here are honest and welcoming, as a member of this forum you will glean a wealth of tips and information that will help you. We have a few property agents as members and a few lawyers, so use the forum and ask any questions or concerns you have and i am sure you will get some honest answers. Best regards and enjoy the benifits of living on this beautiful island. Jack.O

Added after 9 Hours 40 minutes:

Hi Guys, i have been inundated by requests to provide more information on the major merchant banking scam that Christopher John Davies (ex Chief Executive Officer of the Royal Marbella/Duja Group, ex director of miriads of now bankrupt limited companies, and now Chief Executive Officer and co-director along with Jason Curtis and Martin Farnworth of Merchant Banking company FADALLIO LTD) has been named as an alleged co-conspiritor to.
The main headquarters of the scam-merchants appears to be in Marbella but they have outposts in Panama and the Cayman Islands, the crux of the scam is thus: the main culprits solicit people or companies who need large monitary loans or financial guarantees, they purport to supply these guarantees in the form of insurance bonds underwritten by fake insurance companies that they have set up along with eleborateand convincing websites. The potential client pays an up-front insurance fee which can be anything from 50,000 to 1,000.000 euros and is then provided with a fake insurance equity bond that should get them the required merchant loan, once the fee has been paid the client is then given a 6 to 9 month 'run around' with realms of excuses at the end of which the gang have got the cash and the client has no loan because the insurance bonds are fake. How could inteligent people fall for this you may ask? the truth is they do and the more desparate people are to get large corporate loans in this tight financial climate the more they approach spurrious con-men with elaberately facaded websites giving the impression that they are dealing with bona-fide merchant bankers. This is a very brief scenario of what was/is occuring, i have no wish to fill up this page with the names of the fake insurance companies as all that information can be found by (as mentioned in other posts) 'googling' Bronte and Fadallio Marbella Fraud. Jack.O without predjudice.

[jack oakley]

Hello folks, quick update, Chris Davies (international Banker spelt with a 'W' and not a 'B',owner of the Pebble Bridge commercial centre, Marina Estates,and El Barranco,) owes pebble beach community over 65,000 euros in unpaid community fee's. His latest stunt is he is claiming that PEBBLE BRIDGE IS NOT A PART OF THE PBV COMMUNITY and so he doesn't owe the debt, therefore making the honest owners who do pay their community fee's subsidise his blatent evasion so that he can spend his ill gotten gains on sponsering golf tournements and starting financial advisary companies (FADALLIO LTD). I have in my possession a document signed by Davies addressed to PBV stating that Pebble Bridge IS part of PBV and is liable to pay community charges. i have passed a copy of this document to a PBV owner who has promised to pass it on the community president. I will try to upload it here but if it doesn't upload i have also sent it to the pebble beach owners myspace page who's administrator has told me she will up-load it next to the Royal Marbella rogues gallery mugshots. find it by clicking www.myspace.com/pebblebeachowners Jack.O2285

[celine]

hi thankyou for your reply...
could you please advice us which is the best resturant or bar or meeting place that we could go to meet ex pats..(were in our early 50,s with teenage children )my husband has allready aranged a meeting with an ex work freind and we are going to set up a meeting with a school ..
everything seems perfect ..my only concern is boredom...do the women have anything to do?
(ive allready got the weekly market in mind and the auction sounds great..we could adopt a dog )..i notice there is a charity shop to volenteer at ) ..is there anything else??.any clubs ect..??
any advice would be great thankyou.. kindest regards celine

[jack oakley]

hi thankyou for your reply...
could you please advice us which is the best resturant or bar or meeting place that we could go to meet ex pats..(were in our early 50,s with teenage children )my husband has allready aranged a meeting with an ex work freind and we are going to set up a meeting with a school ..
everything seems perfect ..my only concern is boredom...do the women have anything to do?
(ive allready got the weekly market in mind and the auction sounds great..we could adopt a dog )..i notice there is a charity shop to volenteer at ) ..is there anything else??.any clubs ect..??
any advice would be great thankyou.. kindest regards celine
Hello Celine, you have quite an exiting outlook here on this beautiful island and i doubt by your post that you will be bored. I do think you should introduce yourself to the forum as a "newbie" and i think you will receive a warm welcome and an answer to many of your questions. There is an introductory 'thread' , if you can't find it put "introductions" in the home page search box. There are a number of charity shops but it depends on wheer you are residing, LIVE ARICO is well worth animal rescue centre always needing help and i am sure you will have no problem adopting a willing dog, there are so many that have been abandoned here. If you search the forum for Suzi Q she will assist you in finding a dog to adopt. Theer are many bars and restaurants in the south where you will find a friendly ex-pat, i am assuming because you have read this thread you may be locating to the Amarilla Golf? don't let the derogatory information in this thread put you off. Apart from the monolythic abomination El Barranco the Amarilla is a stunning and beautiful place to live 70% of it is occupied by UK ex-pats and 99.9% of those are friendly and helpfull (tis the cowboys associated with El Barranco and Marina Estates you need to keep clear of). Aries Bar is a friendly place as are the Premier, Ninth Hole,Terrace, Scorpio, Frosties, and Pinehurst Bars. I personaly welcome you and hope you make a great life for you and your family, do use the forum to ask questions , you will never be short of answers.. Jack.O

[jack oakley]

Hello folks, quick update, Chris Davies (international Banker spelt with a 'W' and not a 'B',owner of the Pebble Bridge commercial centre, Marina Estates,and El Barranco,) owes pebble beach community over 65,000 euros in unpaid community fee's. His latest stunt is he is claiming that PEBBLE BRIDGE IS NOT A PART OF THE PBV COMMUNITY and so he doesn't owe the debt, therefore making the honest owners who do pay their community fee's subsidise his blatent evasion so that he can spend his ill gotten gains on sponsering golf tournements and starting financial advisary companies (FADALLIO LTD). I have in my possession a document signed by Davies addressed to PBV stating that Pebble Bridge IS part of PBV and is liable to pay community charges. i have passed a copy of this document to a PBV owner who has promised to pass it on the community president. I will try to upload it here but if it doesn't upload i have also sent it to the pebble beach owners myspace page who's administrator has told me she will up-load it next to the Royal Marbella rogues gallery mugshots. find it by clicking www.myspace.com/pebblebeachowners Jack.O2285

Hi Guys, i feel i should clarify a few aspects of this document, firstly i hold the original one, i have merely passed on copies, also i made an indescression of not blanking out the recipiants (PBV president's address), the president at the time that document was delivered retired as master community president in 2002 after many years of invaluable service to the community and he was opposed to any sort of building inside the Amarilla Barranco, Davies knowing that the PBV statutes allowed the president to refuse or allow permission to build tried to "pursuade" the president to allow him to build the disgusting orrifice that now desicrates the Barranco but this president could not be "bought", he did receive assistance from the two following presidents who were in office from 2002 until 2010. Davies also states in the document that the development would "BLEND IN " with the existing properties and would have crown green bowling and tennis courts AND that buidling would commence EIGHTEEN MONTHS AFTER the Amarilla infrastucture was completed. ( The building embago on the Amarilla prevented any building until the legaly required infrasructure including sewers was complete) The infrastructure did not even START till May 2005, making Davies's COMMENCEMENT date December 2007, yet he was TAKING DEPOSITS on the non existant development in 2001 and claiming in the contracts that the cess-pit would be COMPLETED in 2003. This document states quite clearly that he knew he couldn't legaly build before 2007 at the very least so the victims who stumped up deposits at that time should have a claim against him for blatant fraud. without prejudice Jack. O

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Slight mistake, the document states that the building of El Barranco would commence AFTER the new infrastructure was completed which was antisipated to take eighteen months, and NOT eighteen months after the infrastructure was finished. The dates however remain the same, the document is dated 5th of January 2000, every owner on the Amarilla knew then that the details of the new infrastructure would take several years to finalise let alone commence yet Davies not only took deposits from his victims in 2001 he took 2nd stage pre-foundation payments of 30% in 2004, ONE YEAR before the infrastructure started and one year before he was granted the planning permission and a building licence. Sorry guys the edit facility strikes again.

[jack oakley]

March 2012 and El Barranco remains decaying and (apart from a few of Davies's cronies) unoccupied. Davies's debt for non-payment of community fee's to Pebble Beach Village is increasing daily, by strange coincidence i posted a new thread on the forum a few days ago relating to forthcoming AGM's, i have just spoken to an owner in Pebble Beach Village who tells me she has just received her AGM notification. In my recent thread i mentioned the scurge of deliberate longstanding community debtors and why zero tolerence should be applied, it would appear that apart from the usual PBV debt list there is a section relating soley to Davies's community fee debt which now stands at almost SEVENTY THOUSAND EUROS. The owners of Pebble Beach Village should be seriously questioning why the Administration and their lawyer have allowed this freeloading insidious individual to enjoy the ameneties and facilities of PBV at the expence of the honest fee paying owners with seemingly very little progress in making him pay or embagoing his property the Bridge Commercial Centre. Davies is bleating the same song he has been wailing to the hundreds of his victims of El Barranco and creditors of the miriads of liquidated limited companies he's opened and folded the last 15 years, he CLAIMS he has NO MONEY yet a limited company search shows that his company TAURUS ASSET MANAGEMENT LTD which was set up in 2003 has had a subscribed capital of NINE HUNDRED AND TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND EUROS (902,000,00 euros). Taurus asset management limited is NOT Taurus Project limited it is a separate company naming Christopher John Davies and Peter Lowe as it's directors, the same directors as Taurus project. What was interesting in searching the two companies is that the Lawyer appointed by PBV to recover the debt has the VERY same four barralled name that is listed in company documentation as being registered official Atorney for TAURUS PROJECT from July the 5th 2005. There are lots of people with the same name and it may be a coincidence, if they are however one in the same then a massive conflict of interest could be or have been apparant. Davies's property The Bridge Commercial Centre SHOULD have been seized, embagoed and auctioned to clear his community debt and the serious question has be asked WHY HAS IT NOT BEEN ?. My friend who is an owner on PBV said he officialy put that question to the new administration Wimpen TWO years ago, and was told that the previous administration Martus Pyre and their family lawyer Abitbol, who were ousted as the PBV administration in march 2010, had been deliberately and peavishly obstuctive in handing over official court papers relating to debtors. The bottom line is Davies has evaded paying community fee's for several years and is laughing his sweaty Harrods socks off knowing the honest PBV owners are now facing another 3% rise in fee's to compensate for his blatent evadance. This situation is not unique to PBV it happens in many communities, some deal with it instantly and will not tolerate the deliberate leaches that are the scurge of the Horizontal Communities. If you are an honest owner in a community rally round your neighbours and insist that your adminstration takes swift and decisive action against the deliberate freeloading scumbags. Jack.O (without predjudice).

[karinagal]

Hi Jack. I believe that one of the items on the AGM for Pebble Beach relates to the community office deducting rent from the debt owed instead of paying out as they currently do. Still not ideal, but at least it's a step in the right direction...


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[BoPeep]

Our community has taken owners to court for non payment. It cost us a fortune and only one person out of three paid. Even this person only paid the outstanding fees and no interest or our court fees.The others still haven't paid 3 years later. We now have to pay even more money to have the debt put on their properties but they are not likely to sell so it makes no difference to them.

Cant see the point. We are even more out of pocket now!

[jack oakley]

Hi Jack. I believe that one of the items on the AGM for Pebble Beach relates to the community office deducting rent from the debt owed instead of paying out as they currently do. Still not ideal, but at least it's a step in the right direction...

Hiya Karina, My friend has just "faxed" me a copy of the Agenda and it is item 10. It is listed as a RESOLUSION?? . Upon reading it it doen't look like a voting issue, but if it is then great care should be applied and the community lawyer should be TOTALY CLEAR as to the implications. Davies and Lowe owe the community 65,00.00 euros in non-paid fee's relating to the Bridge Commercial Centre, it would appear that the PBV community pay Davies almost 5000 euros a year to rent an office in the centre which is used as the community office. Many owners have not only been unhappy knowning little progress has been made in getting Davies and Lowe into court but they also object to paying them 5000euros per year to rent the office, so many have asked "why dont the community stop paying them rent until they are ordered by the court to pay-up or the Bridge is embagoed"?. Quite simply you cannot do that by law, Davies would be in his rights to evict the community from the office and rent it to someone else. Also the court could take the view that offsetting the rent was an AGREEMENT to pay the debt in instalments, in truth taking 3000 years to pay it whilst meanwhile another 3000 years arrears accrue (3000years being a cynicle figure of speach). Whoever has thought up this RESOLUTION looks like he's batting for Davies's team. Many questions need clarifying before the owners agree to that resolution i hope they will be asked and honestly answered. With regard to Bo-Peeps post you need to change your lawyer, yes it is messy embagoing debtors properties but it is not as money-wasting as you have been lead to believe, if it was then there would no incentive for anyone to pay their community fee's everyone could save themselves a few thousand euros a year by not paying knowing they will get away with it, there would however be a great many bankrupt communities !! Jack.O

[jack oakley]

Hello Guys and gals and El Barranco/Your Place Abroad victims, a few conflicting happenings both here in Tenerife and back in the U.K. Davies's commercial centre "The Bridge" has strangely in the past few weeks become fully occupied with all the units now being supposedly leased or rented with boutiques, restaurants and Tarott cafe's which in theory should be earning Davies and his mob a fortune. However i have my usual suspicions that all is not as it seems and something sinister is afoot as he is still bleating poverty and still maintaining he cannot pay any of his victims or the 65,000-00 euros he owes the residents of Pebble Beach Village. By contrast one of my contacts in the U.K. informs me that Davies and Co are alledged to have done a runner from the Ack Lane offices that they have occupied for 12 years. They are reputed to owe thousands in unpaid rent and at the beggining of february hired a skip, emptied their offices and were gone overnight. The company cars were repossesed and there have been a long line of victims and creditors visiting the now empty offices realising that Davies has absconded. The list of creditors and victims is long and includes Banks, credit card companies, Golf organisations, numerous celebrities as well as the hundreds of Royal Marbella Group/ Your Place Abroad and El Barranco victims. The U.K. information has been forwarded to me by a reliable scource and i have no question of it's validity however i for legal reasons i have to state that as i have not personaly visited Davies's Ack Lane Offices recently so i post this information without predjudice and personal confirmation, maybe one of his victims can enlighten us??. Jack.O

[jack oakley]

Hi All, the El Barranco situation remains the same however a new development has commenced construction on a plot of land on the clifftop adjacent to the last block on Virgo and next to the 5th Green. The alarming facts about this new development are that it was only supposed to be large enough for one or two small villa's due to the closeness of Virgo and the perilously short distance from the clifftop (Ley Costas come to mind). It would now appear that the developer has obtained the permission to erect a DEVELOPMENT with an UNDERGROUND car park. The owners of the last block in Virgo should be shocked and alarmed as their properties will suffer structural damage during the digging proccess. When the construction company Brues and Fernandez hacked out the barranco 12metres opposite Aries several properties suffered cracked walls, tiles and water supply's, the constuctors and Chris Davies stated they would repair all damage once El Barranco was completed, but once El Bonko was completed Brues and Fernandes changed their name to Bruessa disclaiming all responsibility for the damage and Davies did his usual ducking and diving and it was discovered that his buidling liability insurance wasn't worth the toilet paper it was written on. As a consiquence many apartments on Aries now suffer water ingress when it rains. This new "development" whatever it is (it could quite possibly be a replica of the leaning tower of pissa or maybe a toxic landfill site with an underground car park??) whatever it is the proccess of digging a basement adjacent to existing properties in such close proximity WILL cause damage and the Virgo owners should seek the urgent services of an INDEPENDENT surveyer and building engineer(not one associated with the town council or the community) to access the situation before the damage is done, do not accept any information provided by anyone else. Here we go again.. Jack.O.

[felinesue]

Hi All, the El Barranco situation remains the same however a new development has commenced construction on a plot of land on the clifftop adjacent to the last block on Virgo and next to the 5th Green. The alarming facts about this new development are that it was only supposed to be large enough for one or two small villa's due to the closeness of Virgo and the perilously short distance from the clifftop (Ley Costas come to mind). It would now appear that the developer has obtained the permission to erect a DEVELOPMENT with an UNDERGROUND car park. The owners of the last block in Virgo should be shocked and alarmed as their properties will suffer structural damage during the digging proccess. When the construction company Brues and Fernandez hacked out the barranco 12metres opposite Aries several properties suffered cracked walls, tiles and water supply's, the constuctors and Chris Davies stated they would repair all damage once El Barranco was completed, but once El Bonko was completed Brues and Fernandes changed their name to Bruessa disclaiming all responsibility for the damage and Davies did his usual ducking and diving and it was discovered that his buidling liability insurance wasn't worth the toilet paper it was written on. As a consiquence many apartments on Aries now suffer water ingress when it rains. This new "development" whatever it is (it could quite possibly be a replica of the leaning tower of pissa or maybe a toxic landfill site with an underground car park??) whatever it is the proccess of digging a basement adjacent to existing properties in such close proximity WILL cause damage and the Virgo owners should seek the urgent services of an INDEPENDENT surveyer and building engineer(not one associated with the town council or the community) to access the situation before the damage is done, do not accept any information provided by anyone else. Here we go again.. Jack.O.
Hello Jack. I have had the problem of my computer deciding it would like to stop working so I was without internet communication for most of last week. I also lost all the information I had but with the help of my daughter’s friend I have been able to get up and running again. As soon as I was able and in the comfort of my own home, I got back on to the forum but you too appear to have been somewhat quiet. Are you working on another scam somewhere else in the world? I have not emailed your friend Anne who is selling her apartment on Virgo and it is because of this post you have made. Obviously I do not know how far away her apartment is in relation to this new development and thus I have been somewhat reluctant to contact her. Can you clarify this for me please? How far away from this development is your friend’s apartment and will it, in obviously your knowledgeable and trusted opinion, be affected. You said that it was a top floor with magnificent views. Will these also be affected or not? I was not able to telephone your friend Joel David in time before he left for Tenerife. You said there was no better person to talk to about Pebble Beach Village so does he join in on this forum? Hope to hear from you soon Jack where ever you are? FelineSue

[jack oakley]

Hello Jack. I have had the problem of my computer deciding it would like to stop working so I was without internet communication for most of last week. I also lost all the information I had but with the help of my daughter’s friend I have been able to get up and running again. As soon as I was able and in the comfort of my own home, I got back on to the forum but you too appear to have been somewhat quiet. Are you working on another scam somewhere else in the world? I have not emailed your friend Anne who is selling her apartment on Virgo and it is because of this post you have made. Obviously I do not know how far away her apartment is in relation to this new development and thus I have been somewhat reluctant to contact her. Can you clarify this for me please? How far away from this development is your friend’s apartment and will it, in obviously your knowledgeable and trusted opinion, be affected. You said that it was a top floor with magnificent views. Will these also be affected or not? I was not able to telephone your friend Joel David in time before he left for Tenerife. You said there was no better person to talk to about Pebble Beach Village so does he join in on this forum? Hope to hear from you soon Jack where ever you are? FelineSue

Hello FelineSue, Yes i am away on a top secret consignment, sorry to hear your computer was not working last week. However you are right in stating that Joel David does Know a great deal about Pebble Beach as he his lived there for many years now, even though Joel's apartment was one of those damaged during the construction of El barranco he still would advocate that Tenerife,the Amarilla, and Pebble Beach is a spectacular and desirable place to live and indeed he has recomended many of his aquaintances in the U.K to purchase there and many have. I have to admit the apartment on Virgo i mentioned in a private email to you was not one of my friends but a neighbour of Joel's , it was he who told me it was for sale but you have no need to worry about the new development at the clifftop end of Virgo as Joel has informed me that it is to be a luxery villa and not a major development, having said tells me that the excavation is very close to the exsisting buildings of Virgo and as i mentioned proffessional advise should be sought in antisipation of vibration damage, his neighbour Ann no longer wants to sell her apartment so i suggest you contact one of the reputable agents i mentioned in the thread you started seeking advise and as also mentioned in that thread there are many members of the forum including C.I.M and Young Golfer who are agents i beleive to be good. I am so pleased that you trusted my opinion but i would advise not to trust anyone until you really know them, there are many people in this world who are not what they appear to be. I do hope you find what you are looking for and if you do i wish you many happy years in tenerife (maybe pebble beach) Best regards Jack.O.

[jack oakley]

Hello people, a few changes since my last post on El barranco and it's purpertrators. On page 5 post 45 or 46 i printed a long list of Christopher John Davies's failed limited companies, one more to now add to that list is the company he set up to re-sell the "distressed" properties he callousely developed promoted and bankrupted in his capacity of Chief Executive Officer of The Royal Marbella Group. The original purchasers and investers including Sir Geoff Hurst were scammed out of millions of euros after it was exposed in multi-million euro court case that they did not actualy own the properties Davies sold them and paid up front for, but Davies then pops up five years later and starts selling them again under a different limited company name which is FAIRWAY LIVING. I can tell you that information supplied by the LONDON GAZETTE on the 25/05/2012 reports that under section 652 a notice a of Strike-off action for www.fairwayliving.co.uk has been implimented. Davies is still a director of FADALLIO Ltd whose activities are documented on numerous scam-busting websites, just "google-search" Fadallio Bronte Fraud. He also still owns THE BRIDGE commercial centre on Pebble Beach Village Amarilla Golf Tenerife but owes thousands of euros in unpaid community charges. On a slight tangent a thread was started on the forum a few weeks ago by an individual who claimed i was singlehandedly responsible for a collapse in property prices in Tenerife and Pebble Beach Village due to my posts in this thread and asked members for personal information about myself and my location so that the residents of P.B.V could "tar and feather" me for bringing their village into disrepute. The admin and 'mods' in their unrivalled vigilence discovered that the poster has recently registered numerous avatars (all from the same i.p. address) and has a totaly different and sinister agenda that very quickly became apparant, needless to say all but one of his avatar registrations have been banned (the other one is being monitored). I would personaly like to thank the 'super-mods' concerned for their intervention. I am aware that my views are somewhat contrivertial and i may have said some unpleasant things but if you witnessed a thief stealing a purse from an old ladies bag it would turn your stomach and you would not stand by and let it happen, the people i have called "unpleasant" have deliberately and calculatedly relieved unsuspecting honest hard working people out of not just thousands but MILLIONS of euros wrecking retirement dreams. I will not apologise or retract anything i have said and i do know that many people have actualy thanked me from falling into similar scam-trapps because of my postings. It has never been my intent to bring Pebble Beach Village or Tenerife into disrepute and if anyone has read my postings in detail you will know that i have nothing but love and admiration for our beautiful island and especialy the beautiful and spectacular Amarilla Golf. Jack.O

[belly1952]

Hi Dotty 1 , i am looking at completing our apartment in El Barranco next week this is with serious concern! I put 88,500 euros down as a deposit in 2005 and am now feeling that if we dont complete on it then the bank will snatch the site back and i will lose my deposit .
Im caught in 2 minds complete on it and be left with a place thats not fit to live in or just walk away?
Your thoughts would be seriously appreciated!

[jack oakley]

Hi Dotty 1 , i am looking at completing our apartment in El Barranco next week this is with serious concern! I put 88,500 euros down as a deposit in 2005 and am now feeling that if we dont complete on it then the bank will snatch the site back and i will lose my deposit .
Im caught in 2 minds complete on it and be left with a place thats not fit to live in or just walk away?
Your thoughts would be seriously appreciated!

My thoughts are that you need a VERY VERY good lawyer (not one associated with the seller whoever that may be), there may be members of the forum who could recommend one. I am puzzled as to why you are contemplating completing now? the situation there is VERY messy and as a prospective owner with 88,500 euros already paid i would have thought you would have been informed of the reality and the complexity of the situation. If your post is bona-fide, i would strongly advise you not to hand over any more money without being represented by a fiscal representitive and an INDEPENDANT lawyer.

[dotty1]

Hi Dotty 1 , i am looking at completing our apartment in El Barranco next week this is with serious concern! I put 88,500 euros down as a deposit in 2005 and am now feeling that if we dont complete on it then the bank will snatch the site back and i will lose my deposit .
Im caught in 2 minds complete on it and be left with a place thats not fit to live in or just walk away?
Your thoughts would be seriously appreciated!

Sorry you are in this situation, I would listen to Jack if I was you get yourself a lawyer first, you won!t be able to live there what I have seen of El Barranco. Its such a serious and sad position for you to be in.

[belly1952]

My thoughts are that you need a VERY VERY good lawyer (not one associated with the seller whoever that may be), there may be members of the forum who could recommend one. I am puzzled as to why you are contemplating completing now? the situation there is VERY messy and as a prospective owner with 88,500 euros already paid i would have thought you would have been informed of the reality and the complexity of the situation. If your post is bona-fide, i would strongly advise you not to hand over any more money without being represented by a fiscal representitive and an INDEPENDANT lawyer.

Hi Jack thanks for your response , when you say whoever the seller may be , i assume you mean it may be controlled by the bank? I am seeing BBVE bank on wednesday to sign for mortgage . I read on a previous thread that you think the bank wont take the site back , wouldnt it be in there interest to take it back then sell on to another developer to finish ? I was last out in tenerife last xmas and whilst i was naturally upset that there had still not been any progress im puzzled as to why taurus would take the site so far and then just walk away ?
I think its even more frustrating to go and see the site and be able to see the potential . I would be able to walk away if it was just in its 1st phase of build.
I have only just come across this forum and its gave me hope that i can contact other owners or people who are in our position to discuss how we can take the site to completion .
As mentioned before as a family we have put a lot of money into El Barranco and im not prepared to just walk away , so please anyone with any feed back? It would be appreciated

[jack oakley]

Hi Jack thanks for your response , when you say whoever the seller may be , i assume you mean it may be controlled by the bank? I am seeing BBVE bank on wednesday to sign for mortgage . I read on a previous thread that you think the bank wont take the site back , wouldnt it be in there interest to take it back then sell on to another developer to finish ? I was last out in tenerife last xmas and whilst i was naturally upset that there had still not been any progress im puzzled as to why taurus would take the site so far and then just walk away ?
I think its even more frustrating to go and see the site and be able to see the potential . I would be able to walk away if it was just in its 1st phase of build.
I have only just come across this forum and its gave me hope that i can contact other owners or people who are in our position to discuss how we can take the site to completion .
As mentioned before as a family we have put a lot of money into El Barranco and im not prepared to just walk away , so please anyone with any feed back? It would be appreciated

Once again i am puzzled by your post, you say you were in Tenerife at xmas 2011 and there had been no progress with your prospective purchase since paying your (deposit) in 2005 (before the construction started). What has changed since December 2011 to instigate a completion now?. The banks are inundated with unfinished or unsold developments and it is in their interest to sell them quickly to whoever is willing to buy them if they are able to do so, it may be so that the bank has taken full control of El Barranco but only a good independant lawyer will be able to ascertain the true legal situation. Much has been speculated and many untruths have been stated regarding this development and many other people are in your situation be very carefull who you take advise from (even other owners or prospective owners), only take advise from a very good lawyer, there are some in the U.K. with knowledge of these situations. Do not sign anything until you have consulted one.

[jack oakley]

Hello Members, visitors, and 'victims's, there is little to report i fear,i was suspicious about the above post by 'Belly1952' believing it to have been made by someone connected to Taurus?. The only new development in the past weeks are that it would appear that all community electricity (including the emergency lighting on the rusty deck access walkways) has now been terminated. There is also no sign of 'belly1952' who claimed on the 22nd of June that he was completing his purchase having put down an 88,500 euro deposit in 2005. If he/she was in fact genuine and has completed then maybe he/she being now a member of the forum, could let us know how they are enjoying living in El Barranco. Jack.O

[Margaretta]

Jack, we have walked past quite a few times this year and it looks like some people are 'in residence' despite the state of the 'facilities.' We feel very sorry for them and would-be owners. If the dereliction is allowed to continue then squatters may move in. It's very sad that such a prime site has been unfinished and neglected in this way and that so many people have lost money. Please keep posting. I can't see that we can do anything practical to help but at least we can voice our support and discourage this from happening in future.

[jack oakley]

www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/Golf/News/Searchresults/April-08/Apr2-Westwood-London-Golf-Show[/url]
The article states that good old Lee has also bought an apartment on EL BARRANCO probobly next door to FREDDIE FLINTOFF'S, BOBBY ROBSONS', and SIR STEVE REDGRAVE'S... maybe Lee can use the filthy black muddy swimming pools for bunker practice

Hi Margarita, it's possible that one or two of the very few people that have illegaly taken up residence in Cell Block H may be one of the above?. The reality is that they were paid to endorse the eyesore and had no intention whatsoever of residing or purchasing there, the few people who are in residence are made up mostly of employees of Christopher Davies and Peter Lowe (Taurus Project SL, Taurus Asset Management SL, and Taurus Holdings UK Ltd), there are one or two 'victims' who were allowed to move in after supposedly paying 40 or 50k in deposits and without completing. They exsisted by being hooked up to the communal water and electricity system but these seem to have been cut off in the past few weeks so i agree with you and feel sorry for them, i don't however feel sorry for anyone connected to Davies because it's my belief that he, and they, knew exactly what they were doing from the outset of this abhorrant scam. I am pleased that this thread has prevented a substantial amount of prospective property buyer's from falling foul of cowboy developers but regret to say that unless the authorities in Tenerife or anywhere else for that matter do something positive to prevent blatant corruption by developers it will happen again. Jack.O